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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by gnome » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:47 pm

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gnome wrote:How forgiving are you of mixed-quality Trek with the visuals kind of messed up? That is the real answer.

It has worthwhile content, but not good for a purist or nostalgist. And the quality of the writing and storyline still needs work.

I'm sticking with it, it has not quite lost me yet, but it's not doing terribly well with me either.
I watched Voyager through but could not do so with Enterprise. Does that help in answering the question?

PS: Tangentially, I do love The Orville because the story telling is so damn good.
As I mentioned in a long ago post, I walked away from Enterprise on its first run and found it more enjoyable when I came back.

Orville rocks! I look forward to each episode. I can't say that about Discovery--it's more often I think "meh--ok. Hey that was interesting. Ugh, stop that. Nice reveal. Guess I'll watch next week."
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Grammatron » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:06 pm

I will give it a shot and if it sucks I have been sufficiently warned.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Nyarlathotep » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:19 pm

Grammatron wrote:
gnome wrote:How forgiving are you of mixed-quality Trek with the visuals kind of messed up? That is the real answer.

It has worthwhile content, but not good for a purist or nostalgist. And the quality of the writing and storyline still needs work.

I'm sticking with it, it has not quite lost me yet, but it's not doing terribly well with me either.
I watched Voyager through but could not do so with Enterprise. Does that help in answering the question?

PS: Tangentially, I do love The Orville because the story telling is so damn good.
For what it's worth, I am in EXACTLY that same boat. I watched Voyager, Couldn't get past season 2 of Enterprise and love The Orville, and I am finding Discovery to be juuuuust entertaining enough to keep me watching. As I said before, it hasn't "Grown the Beard" but I do see some five o'clock shadow coming in.

On the other hand, I am not known on this board for my impeccable taste in movies and TV, so take that into account too.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Grammatron » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:22 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:
Grammatron wrote:
gnome wrote:How forgiving are you of mixed-quality Trek with the visuals kind of messed up? That is the real answer.

It has worthwhile content, but not good for a purist or nostalgist. And the quality of the writing and storyline still needs work.

I'm sticking with it, it has not quite lost me yet, but it's not doing terribly well with me either.
I watched Voyager through but could not do so with Enterprise. Does that help in answering the question?

PS: Tangentially, I do love The Orville because the story telling is so damn good.
For what it's worth, I am in EXACTLY that same boat. I watched Voyager, Couldn't get past season 2 of Enterprise and love The Orville, and I am finding Discovery to be juuuuust entertaining enough to keep me watching. As I said before, it hasn't "Grown the Beard" but I do see some five o'clock shadow coming in.

On the other hand, I am not known on this board for my impeccable taste in movies and TV, so take that into account too.
When it comes to Sci-Fi I find your tastes and reviews to be reasonable as far as my tastes go.

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by gnome » Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:31 am

Agree... that you embrace the fact that a movie can be so insane and horrible that it loops around to awesome isn't a credit against your taste :)
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:45 pm

I've been watching myself. I'm of the same opinion as Nyar. It starts baddish, but it does get better.

I suppose it depends on whether you have a better use of your time. But it's kinda like previous incarnations of Trek that way.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by ed » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:50 pm

I watched the original ST back when it premiered and was blown away. I like the first couple of movies but sort of lost interest. The steaming bag of droppings with Benedict Cumberpatch sealed the theatrical fate of this franchise. I never watched any followups on TV. I still get a kick out of the original. I think that it is the utter lack of acting skill on the part of Shatner. That and the amusing thought that when he is off camera, Sulu is boinking young ensigns in the storage area. And that Scotty is shit faced.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by gnome » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:29 pm

I will say, "Beyond" was monumentally better than "Into The Wrath of Holmes".

If I were to suggest any post-TOS TV trek to you, it would be DS9.

I think you'd start liking Quark a lot. And I don't mean that as an insult--there are times when he's the only sane guy around and that's the parts where I think you'd like him best.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Anaxagoras » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:45 am

Ed, did you see the original pilot, the one without Shatner?

Different captain, different crew, except for Spock.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Doctor X » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:22 am

WHERE ARE THE WOMEN?!!!!

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"Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out."--Don
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"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone."--clarsct
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Nyarlathotep » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:39 am

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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by gnome » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:42 am

My favorite moments from the season finale:
Spoiler:
1. Shot of Enterprise
2. Tilly reflexively Terran-Empire saluting Georgiou.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Anaxagoras » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:31 am

gnome wrote:My favorite moments from the season finale:
Spoiler:
1. Shot of Enterprise
2. Tilly reflexively Terran-Empire saluting Georgiou.
Spoiler:
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by sparks » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:38 am

And Number One got demoted to Nurse.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery

Post by Doctor X » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:27 pm

But promoted to wife.

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"Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out."--Don
DocX: FTW.--sparks
"Doctor X wins again."--Pyrrho
"Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry."--His Humble MagNIfIcence
"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone."--clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far."--Grammatron
"Indeed you are a river to your people.
Shit. That's going to end up in your sig."--Pyrrho
"Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power."--asthmatic camel
"just like Doc X said." --gnome

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