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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:49 pm

Are you arguing that social justice protests ...
Either you are mighty naive about the ways of a publicity hound, or pretending to be for rhetorical effect.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by xouper » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:38 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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Are you arguing that social justice protests ...
Either you are mighty naive about the ways of a publicity hound, or pretending to be for rhetorical effect.
It seems I am not getting your point, which is why I asked for clarification. Rather than criticize me for what I do not know, it would be more helpful if you would just explain your point in more detail. Thanks.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Doctor X » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:20 am

Did anyone notice that Colin did not do this before he was demoted to a back-up?

Then later claimed he would stop if someone gave him a starting job rather than a back-up?

Curious.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:59 am

xouper wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:38 am
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:49 pm
Are you arguing that social justice protests ...
Either you are mighty naive about the ways of a publicity hound, or pretending to be for rhetorical effect.
It seems I am not getting your point, which is why I asked for clarification. Rather than criticize me for what I do not know, it would be more helpful if you would just explain your point in more detail. Thanks.
The deal with Nike (or something very like it) is the point.

He makes more money than many an NFL player.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by xouper » Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:41 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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The deal with Nike (or something very like it) is the point.

He makes more money than many an NFL player.
Still need further clarification of your point. Are you saying that from the very beginning, Kaepernick's primary motive for kneeling was to get more money from Nike?

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:43 pm

xouper wrote:
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The deal with Nike (or something very like it) is the point.

He makes more money than many an NFL player.
Still need further clarification of your point. Are you saying that from the very beginning, Kaepernick's primary motive for kneeling was to get more money from Nike?
He did it for notoriety, which is a salable if intangible commodity.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:22 am

Here's some total trash tabloid shit about Kaepernick, from that total trash tabloid International Business Times.

Transgender Model Mia Isabella Confirms Colin Kaepernick Relationship; 49ers Quarterback Remains Silent

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:32 pm

xouper wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:02 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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OK I won't say he's a "good guy" but ...
xouper wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:27 pm
... did it not on his own time but as a publicly visible representative of his company while on company time.
It would have been pointless unsensational otherwise.
Fixed it for ya.

There are plenty of ways to bring attention to a social injustice without deliberately disrespecting the country and the people who sacrificed all for it. It seems to me that by sitting or kneeling, Kaepernick hurt his cause more than help it and has damaged the NFL in the process.
He just wants to make America great again. When you do that, you imply that it at present is not great. Which is a level of disrespect. Funny as to who gets a pass when insulting this country.

Bringing attention to social injustice by definition means getting people to hear a message they don't want to hear. That is always going to be disruptive to some degree, and those against social justice are forever going to criticize any sort of disruption to the social order while convincing themselves that it is the method and not the message they are criticizing. As if they would be more likely to hear the message were it mumbled into an empty closet in an abandoned house.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:55 pm

Bringing attention to social injustice ...
It's just business.

He loses nothing. He gets $3,000,000.

If that also somehow does good in the world to degree that offsets encouraging child slavery, well then good.

But it doesn't make the black kids who buy more Nikes any safer around the cops.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:57 pm

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Obviously RCC has no issues with supporting an ideology that has killed at least 150 million people, because surely they'll get it right next time.

So we are up to "at least 150 million" now?

Even the Black Book had it at 94m, and some of the authors of that were critical of that number as being way too high and the result of one author's obsession with getting the number to 100m.

You know why you don't keep hearing how many people capitalism has killed?

1) It's a stupid idea to put causation of a death on a broadly defined political/economic viewpoint.

2) The number would be so stupid high as to boggle the mind. By the methods of the Black Book, we can account for 100m+ dead just among Africans during colonial times. Slave trade, resource extraction, etc.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:58 pm

Because it really is about getting black kids to buy more Nikes.

All else is bullshit.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:03 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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Bringing attention to social injustice ...
It's just business.

He loses nothing. He gets $3,000,000.

If that also somehow does good in the world to degree that offsets encouraging child slavery, well then good.

But it doesn't make the black kids who buy more Nikes any safer around the cops.
So? International labor practices are a totally different issue. I'm not building a shrine to Nike anytime soon.

The point remains that those who do not want to hear the message aren't going to address the message. Rather the method of delivery (too disruptive, etc), and the nature of the person making the delivery. That he's getting paid, has an ulterior motive, was raised by white parents, etc. It's all avoidance by people who know they are wrong and looking for a way to sleep at night.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:09 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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Because it really is about getting black kids to buy more Nikes.

All else is bullshit.
Things can have multiple motivations.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:10 pm

Colin Kaepernick did *not* increase awareness of police brutality.
He was skillful at generating saleable notoriety for *himself*.

He only used it to make $3,000,000 and much more than that for his bosses.

And your attitude about slavery is very Sargent Schultz-like.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:13 pm

It's all avoidance by people who know they are wrong and looking for a way to sleep at night.
You make unwarranted assumptions about other people's sleeping patterns . :P
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:55 pm

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Colin Kaepernick did *not* increase awareness of police brutality.
lol. He's continually keeping it in the news. Likely increased BLM donations by a massive amount.

He was skillful at generating saleable notoriety for *himself*.


He only used it to make $3,000,000 and much more than that for his bosses.

He's been using that money and notoriety in pursuit of charitable deeds and acts, so I don't see the problem here. Nike has been (up until now silently) paying him all along, basically to do exactly that.

It's hard to dismiss someone as greedy when that person has dedicated his life and fortune to charity, but that isn't going to stop some people from trying.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:58 pm

Make money from slavery, spend some of it on charity. Right. :roll:
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by RCC: Act II » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:07 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:58 pm
Make money from slavery, spend some of it on charity. Right. :roll:
Like I said. It always has to be about something else. That he isn't enough of a commie stooge to satisfy your idea of political consistency is not something I see as a useful point.

Standard issue conservative fallacy. When someone wants to work towards changing the capitalist system, claim that working within the capitalist system to do so is an inherent endorsement of the existing system and therefore the claim to want to change the system is hypocrisy.

...and then when someone wants to abolish the whole system, call them a nutbag commie so you win both ways.

Yawn.