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Re: Ray Rice Cut

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Re: More Crushing Disappointment for Cleveland

Postby ed » Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:57 am

Grammatron wrote:If such video comes to light and it shows Ray Rice beating up his wife. I will hope he not only gets suspended from NFL for few years but serves actual jail time. I will also retract everything I've said.



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BTW, that is assault. Why no prosecution?
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ed wrote:
Grammatron wrote:If such video comes to light and it shows Ray Rice beating up his wife. I will hope he not only gets suspended from NFL for few years but serves actual jail time. I will also retract everything I've said.





Grammatron wrote:He almost kills her when her head hits the hand rail inside the elevator. Fuck him.


Perhaps my retraction was too subtle. Very well, I retract everything I've said in Rice's defense.


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BTW, that is assault. Why no prosecution?


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Re: Ray Rice Cut

Postby Doctor X » Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:17 am

Prosecution does not need her cooperation with this video available--and it was available to the prosecution. The police had it. NFL had claimed the police would not let them see it. Enough Sports Dudes are noting that for Godell to rule as he did without seeing the video but knowing one existed demonstrates his incompetence.

However, Chris Mortenson and others have reported they knew the details of this video months ago from NFL insiders. So . . . members of the NFL saw the video and, somehow, Sheriff Godell did not?

The prosecutor should be dismissed/fired/voted out the next election.

Godell should be fired.

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Re: More Crushing Disappointment for Cleveland

Postby Tiosylanyl » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:13 am

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Anyways . . . I have a nice article, but I am going to ask The Captain to allow this to be moved into its own topic. This thread can then return to the Tragedy that is Cleveland.


Okay, this explains it.....I was confused when I logged in and saw a thread that I didn't remember starting with my name attached as the author.

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Anyways . . . I have a nice article, but I am going to ask The Captain to allow this to be moved into its own topic. This thread can then return to the Tragedy that is Cleveland.


Okay, this explains it.....I was confused when I logged in and saw a thread that I didn't remember starting with my name attached as the author.


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Re: Ray Rice Cut

Postby Doctor X » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:52 am

Well, the Non-Japanese Original article does not seem available. What I get for trusting Pravda The Boston Globe. Basically, it gave a list of the supportive tweets Ravens players, coaches and the like gave to "Ray Ray." It also dissected the time-line.

The big-ass question has been whether or not Godell saw the video. I am afraid I will need evidence he did not given that at least two reporters had details of the video months ago. Be that as it may, Godell should have stated that the suspension of two games--which was laughable to begin with--was pending further evidence.

Frankly, I think Godell and the Ravens wanted this to "go away."

Both should.

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Re: Ray Rice Cut

Postby Anaxagoras » Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:57 am

Lifetime ban? This article says "suspended indefinitely":

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11489 ... o-surfaces


I think the first punishment, a two-game suspension or whatever it was, was too light. Now they may have gone too far in the other direction. It seems like the amount of punishment is proportional to the amount of embarrassment the NFL feels, not the crime itself. It depends on whether the public sees it on video. If you had the same crime but no video existed, I can't imagine that people would be thinking about a lifetime ban.
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Re: More Crushing Disappointment for Cleveland

Postby Pyrrho » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:25 am

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Anyways . . . I have a nice article, but I am going to ask The Captain to allow this to be moved into its own topic. This thread can then return to the Tragedy that is Cleveland.


Okay, this explains it.....I was confused when I logged in and saw a thread that I didn't remember starting with my name attached as the author.

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Re: Ray Rice Cut

Postby Doctor X » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:36 am

Anaxagoras wrote:It depends on whether the public sees it on video. If you had the same crime but no video existed, I can't imagine that people would be thinking about a lifetime ban.


I do not know. People were pretty hot with just what was known. I was willing to, for the sake of argument and fairness, extend the "best possible situation" with regards to Ray-Ray: she was hitting him, he pushed her away . . . but why is he dragging her out of an elevator? Why is he not calling for help? Your soon-to-be-wife is unconscious.

Feh. Fuck him. Personally, I always thought he hit her. He demonstrated no evidence of defensive wounds so any concept of "she was beating me with her shoe and I was reading the Bible and writing checks to for Cute Orphans with Lisps" did not seem possible.

IF Godell did not see the video--big "if"--then Ray-Ray lied to him.

So ban him for like . . . five years.

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Re: More Crushing Disappointment for Cleveland

Postby ed » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:39 am

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ed wrote:
Grammatron wrote:If such video comes to light and it shows Ray Rice beating up his wife. I will hope he not only gets suspended from NFL for few years but serves actual jail time. I will also retract everything I've said.





Grammatron wrote:He almost kills her when her head hits the hand rail inside the elevator. Fuck him.


Perhaps my retraction was too subtle. Very well, I retract everything I've said in Rice's defense.




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Re: Josh Gordon Suspe......Fuck that, let's talk about Ray R

Postby Doctor X » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:28 am

So the Comish states he never saw the video prior to his first slap on Ray-Ray's wrist?

Says that, "to his knowledge," no one in the NFL had seen it?







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But a law enforcement official told the Associated Press he sent a video of Rice punching Janay Palmer, now Rice's wife, to an NFL executive five months ago. The law enforcement official also played the AP a 12-second voicemail from an NFL office number on April 9 confirming the video arrived. A female voice expresses thanks and says: "You're right. It's terrible."

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We're sure this is the in-elevator video, not the other, earlier one of him dragging her out of the elevator afterwards?
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Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:23 am

The official, speaking to the AP on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation, says the NFL never followed up. The person can't confirm if anyone at the NFL watched the video. The person said he shared the video — which he was unauthorized to release — because he wanted the NFL to have it before deciding on Rice's punishment.


So we have the word of an anonymous person, who wasn't authorized to release the video but did so anyway, illegally.
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Postby Doctor X » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:30 am

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But a law enforcement official told the Associated Press he sent a video of Rice punching Janay Palmer, now Rice's wife, to an NFL executive five months ago. The law enforcement official also played the AP a 12-second voicemail from an NFL office number on April 9 confirming the video arrived. A female voice expresses thanks and says: "You're right. It's terrible."


Per your other question, they were authorized to release the video to the NFL.

A lawyer gave a very good bit of information on this. First, requests for such must be in writing. So there is a record--stamped 'in all--of all requests. Second, Ray-Ray's scumbag of a lawyer admitted he saw it. He is a scumbag because he kept saying "hypothetically" and suggesting that this video showed Janay was the aggressor. We all now know that was bullshit--and he has been unavailable for comment.

Godell could either have the NFL formally request the video or, even better, suspend Ray-Ray until he gave permission/provided the video.

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Postby Doctor X » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:34 am

Further, per his interview with Nora O'Donnell, Godell claimed that the NFL requested the video from "the police"--we now know they requested from the wrong police department at some point--"numerous times" but were "refused."

So . . . in April, they receive the video.

They confirm they have the video.

Did Godell . . . "forget?" Did he want the video but then . . . by April decide . . . "Nyah! I don't need no video."

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Postby Anaxagoras » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:26 am

Doctor X wrote:Per your other question, they were authorized to release the video to the NFL.


But the last paragraph of that article says:
As the New Jersey Attorney General's office said yesterday, "It would have been illegal for law enforcement to provide (the) Rice video to (the) NFL."


Here's another article specifically about that:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/9/61 ... -video-tmz

NJ attorney general says giving NFL casino elevator footage would have been illegal
A spokesman for the attorney general's office told ABC News on Tuesday afternoon it would have been illegal to give the NFL a copy of the video. This remains consistent with the NFL's statements that requests for the video were denied.


Nevertheless, I agree that Godell's story doesn't seem to add up. Did they get the video but not watch it because they believed that it had been obtained illegally? Of course, that's not the story they are giving, however. Although exactly what the truth is, is unclear, it seems to be something other than what they said it was.
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Doctor X wrote:Per your other question, they were authorized to release the video to the NFL.


But the last paragraph of that article says:
As the New Jersey Attorney General's office said yesterday, "It would have been illegal for law enforcement to provide (the) Rice video to (the) NFL."


[Engage Clausian Denial Mode--Ed.]

And, exactly, what have YOU done about skepticism? It is horrible to see a mind like yours go.

Won't be long now.

[Disengage Clausian Denial Mode--Ed.]

You are correct. :oops:

What I heard was that the police could provide the video if a particular request--requiring a form not actually a B27-6--is filed and ruled upon favorably.

I assumed that that is what happened.

It appears, at this point, it was not "approved." There is question as to whether or not the request was ever properly made.

Nevertheless, I agree that Godell's story doesn't seem to add up. Did they get the video but not watch it because they believed that it had been obtained illegally? Of course, that's not the story they are giving, however.


And we have a recording from a woman at the NFL who admits to watching it. A leak--and it may have been an "official" leak because, Heavens to Betsy, the police and prosecution offices sometimes leak materials that are not exactly legal to leak Image

Although exactly what the truth is, is unclear, it seems to be something other than what they said it was.


It is pissing people off. After my last post, I was listening to various sports opinions. It was revealed this was not an "Official Release" :oops: but not confirmed it was not an "Unofficial Official Release" :P but "who cares! This is not hearsay! You can see the video!"

Worse, for Godell, the OWNER of the Ravens has stated that this video matches exactly what Ray-Ray told him when questioned about it. So . . . he told the truth to the owner but not Godell?

He may actually "go." A very powerful owner spoke on Godell's behalf before this latest revelation. Robert Kraft does not like to be lied to. The Ravens owner is also powerful and outspoken. The fact he made clear that what Ray-Ray told him matched the video undercuts the attempts by Godell to pretend it showed him something new.

Quite a few Sports Shows have been playing Rick "15 Seconds . . . DONE! John Holmes is Not Walking Through That Door, Honey!" Pitino's "if you lie about your past, it becomes a part of your future" apology. Godell, apparently, has not learned this.

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. . . and now . . . NOW--see what I did there?--is calling for Go(o)dell's resignation.

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