The Ryan Lochte thing

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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by Grammatron » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:03 pm

Since when is that a requirement in Cleveland?

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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by Nyarlathotep » Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:56 pm

This whole saga is beginning to develop a very Rashomon like vibe to it.

USA TODAY Sports investigation raises questions about Rio cops, Lochte incident
But a narrative of the night’s events – constructed by USA TODAY Sports from witness statements, official investigations, surveillance videos and media reports – supports Lochte’s later account in which he said he thought the swimmers were being robbed when they were approached at a gas station by armed men who flashed badges, pointed guns at them and demanded money.

A Brazilian judge says police might have been hasty in determining the security guards, by how they dealt with the swimmers, did not commit a robbery. A lawyer who has practiced in Brazil for 25 years says she does not think the actions of Lochte and teammate Jimmy Feigen constitute the filing of a false police report as defined under Brazilian law.
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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by shemp » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:30 am

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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:54 am

Nyarlathotep wrote:This whole saga is beginning to develop a very Rashomon like vibe to it.

USA TODAY Sports investigation raises questions about Rio cops, Lochte incident
But a narrative of the night’s events – constructed by USA TODAY Sports from witness statements, official investigations, surveillance videos and media reports – supports Lochte’s later account in which he said he thought the swimmers were being robbed when they were approached at a gas station by armed men who flashed badges, pointed guns at them and demanded money.

A Brazilian judge says police might have been hasty in determining the security guards, by how they dealt with the swimmers, did not commit a robbery. A lawyer who has practiced in Brazil for 25 years says she does not think the actions of Lochte and teammate Jimmy Feigen constitute the filing of a false police report as defined under Brazilian law.
Probably too late for Lochte to rehabilitate his image anyway. Besides, he already admitted to exaggerating in his earlier account. They are just saying his later account may be close to the truth.
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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:39 pm

Right. So we have Lochte's story, the Brazilian police's story and now USA Today's story. All a bit different.

All we need is a medium to get the testimony of a dead samurai on the matter and we've got ourselves a remake.
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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:11 pm

Replace the dead Samurai with a dead sports jadrool (Maxie Rosenbloom maybe) ...
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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by Nyarlathotep » Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:57 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Replace the dead Samurai with a dead sports jadrool (Maxie Rosenbloom maybe) ...
No, even better, Howard Cossell
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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:15 pm

Nyarlathotep wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Replace the dead Samurai with a dead sports jadrool (Maxie Rosenbloom maybe) ...
No, even better, Howard Cossell
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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:47 am

http://townhall.com/columnists/derekhun ... e-n2209533
Although 99 percent of the media did what the media always does – get a narrative and run with it – one team did actual journalism. What it discovered not only exposed how the US swimmers were telling the truth, but also how lazy and horrible the American media has become.

USA Today’s sports editor, David Meeks, and reporter Taylor Barnes actually went to the gas station, looked for damage, talked to witnesses and reviewed surveillance videos. What they discovered by simply asking questions, something journalists used to do, was what Lochte and the others told officials actually happened.

They found no damage to the bathroom – the mirror and soap dispensers were still intact or had been replaced not by new equipment but filthy, old equipment complete with crusty old soap. The door was old and undamaged, not kicked in.

Through actual journalism, the USA Today team saw all the surveillance videos, and even though the bathroom door was in frame, there is no footage of the swimmers entering, exiting or kicking it. Unable to gain entry to the bathroom, they’d relieved themselves behind the building, then went back to their cab. That’s when it gets interesting.
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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by Anaxagoras » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:24 am

Maybe that's what he told officials, but it isn't the story he told the world about being ambushed and robbed at gunpoint either. The gun being put to his head and the trigger cocked and all that?

(With modern guns do you ever cock a trigger like that or is that just a Hollywood trope?)
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Re: The Ryan Lochte thing

Post by Grammatron » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:55 am

Anaxagoras wrote:Maybe that's what he told officials, but it isn't the story he told the world about being ambushed and robbed at gunpoint either. The gun being put to his head and the trigger cocked and all that?

(With modern guns do you ever cock a trigger like that or is that just a Hollywood trope?)
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