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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by RCC: Act II » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:58 pm

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I basically agree with Shapiro on this one. I think he clarifies the marketing logic too:

He's wrong that it specifically needs a backlash from Trump. There is enough of a backlash by Trump fanboys to amount to the same thing.

The argument that this being a cynical marketing ploy by Nike somehow makes it politically less relevant is nonsense. It arguably makes it even more relevant, given that a huge corporation has decided that it is profitable to openly antagonize populist conservatives.This is less about increasing immediate sales and more about being on the right side of history, so that in 2028 Nike can point back and say they spoke out in favor of the good guys. That can be tremendous brand goodwill.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by gnome » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:08 pm

A lot of the left leaning side of my social group isn't impressed with Nike's move here.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:08 pm

Nike uses child slave labor, and Kaepernick is OK with that if the price is right.

Because child slave lives do not matter.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:31 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:08 pm
Nike uses child slave labor, and Kaepernick is OK with that if the price is right.

Because child slave lives do not matter.
Are you quite sure that the shoes you wear were made more ethically?

Or your shirts, or pants or other clothes?
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Grammatron » Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:58 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:31 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:08 pm
Nike uses child slave labor, and Kaepernick is OK with that if the price is right.

Because child slave lives do not matter.
Are you quite sure that the shoes you wear were made more ethically?

Or your shirts, or pants or other clothes?
Abdul is not out there protesting injustices while being a hypocrite as far as I am aware.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by ed » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:56 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:58 pm
Anaxagoras wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:31 am


I basically agree with Shapiro on this one. I think he clarifies the marketing logic too:

He's wrong that it specifically needs a backlash from Trump. There is enough of a backlash by Trump fanboys to amount to the same thing.

The argument that this being a cynical marketing ploy by Nike somehow makes it politically less relevant is nonsense. It arguably makes it even more relevant, given that a huge corporation has decided that it is profitable to openly antagonize populist conservatives.This is less about increasing immediate sales and more about being on the right side of history, so that in 2028 Nike can point back and say they spoke out in favor of the good guys. That can be tremendous brand goodwill.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by WildCat » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:29 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:58 pm
Abdul is not out there protesting injustices while being a hypocrite as far as I am aware.
To be fair, Kaepernick has never said what it is he is protesting.

eta: he could be protesting age of consent laws for all we know.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:06 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:31 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:08 pm
Nike uses child slave labor, and Kaepernick is OK with that if the price is right.

Because child slave lives do not matter.
Are you quite sure that the shoes you wear were made more ethically?

Or your shirts, or pants or other clothes?
My shoes were made in USA.

I'll have to check the other garments.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:07 pm

WildCat wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:29 pm
Grammatron wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:58 pm
Abdul is not out there protesting injustices while being a hypocrite as far as I am aware.
To be fair, Kaepernick has never said what it is he is protesting.

eta: he could be protesting age of consent laws for all we know.
I thought it was police brutality, with some sort of organizational tie in to BLM.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:09 pm

Grammatron wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:58 pm
Abdul is not out there protesting injustices while being a hypocrite as far as I am aware.
Easy for me to be a moralist.

Maybe I would if the price were right.

I hope not, but I have not been put to the test.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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I thought it was police brutality, with some sort of organizational tie in to BLM.
Link?
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:20 pm

WildCat wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:17 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:07 pm
I thought it was police brutality, with some sort of organizational tie in to BLM.
Link?
Now that I google it, all I can find is evidence they they support him, but no organizational connection.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Grammatron » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:21 pm

WildCat wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:17 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:07 pm
I thought it was police brutality, with some sort of organizational tie in to BLM.
Link?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... nal-anthem

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by xouper » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:27 pm

RCC: Act II wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:58 pm
The argument that this being a cynical marketing ploy by Nike somehow makes it politically less relevant is nonsense. It arguably makes it even more relevant, given that a huge corporation has decided that it is profitable to openly antagonize populist conservatives.This is less about increasing immediate sales and more about being on the right side of history, so that in 2028 Nike can point back and say they spoke out in favor of the good guys. That can be tremendous brand goodwill.
And you know all this how??


Secondly . . . Sorry, but Kaepernick is not one of the "good guys".

He deliberately chose to show disrespect for the country in order to make a highly controversial political statement of dubious merit, and did it not on his own time but as a publicly visible representative of his company while on company time.

That is not the definition of a good guy.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:37 pm

OK I won't say he's a "good guy" but ...
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... did it not on his own time but as a publicly visible representative of his company while on company time.
It would have been pointless otherwise.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by WildCat » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:41 pm

xouper wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:27 pm
RCC: Act II wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:58 pm
The argument that this being a cynical marketing ploy by Nike somehow makes it politically less relevant is nonsense. It arguably makes it even more relevant, given that a huge corporation has decided that it is profitable to openly antagonize populist conservatives.This is less about increasing immediate sales and more about being on the right side of history, so that in 2028 Nike can point back and say they spoke out in favor of the good guys. That can be tremendous brand goodwill.
And you know all this how??


Secondly . . . Sorry, but Kaepernick is not one of the "good guys".

He deliberately chose to show disrespect for the country in order to make a highly controversial political statement of dubious merit, and did it not on his own time but as a publicly visible representative of his company while on company time.

That is not the definition of a good guy.
He also thinks Fidel Castro is a hero. Once you support totalitarian dictators you lose all moral high ground. Obviously RCC has no issues with supporting an ideology that has killed at least 150 million people, because surely they'll get it right next time.

But as a rational person I hold the same contempt for Communists as I do for Nazis.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by xouper » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:02 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:37 pm
OK I won't say he's a "good guy" but ...
xouper wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:27 pm
... did it not on his own time but as a publicly visible representative of his company while on company time.
It would have been pointless unsensational otherwise.
Fixed it for ya.

There are plenty of ways to bring attention to a social injustice without deliberately disrespecting the country and the people who sacrificed all for it. It seems to me that by sitting or kneeling, Kaepernick hurt his cause more than help it and has damaged the NFL in the process.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:04 pm

You didn't "fix" it, but you did explain why it would be pointless where I merely asserted it.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick

Post by xouper » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:39 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:04 pm
You didn't "fix" it, but you did explain why it would be pointless where I merely asserted it.
Are you arguing that social justice protests that do not directly disrespect the country are pointless?

Are you arguing, for example, that MLK Jr did it wrong and that he should have dissed the flag as part of his message?