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Who here knows The Dreidel Song? Or heard it as a child, whether you remember the lyrics or not?
If you went to public school in New York City when I did, you probably learned it as part of what later developed into multiculturalism. Never heard of any Jews singing it around the Menorah and certainly not in shul. And I don't know the origin.
Has anyone heard it "in the wild" so to speak?
However ...
Here is a set of atheist lyrics for The Dreidel Song that I snagged off USENET many years ago and have lovingly preserved.
Credit where credit is due. The author is Bernard S Greenberg.
The same one who wrote THIS, and developed THIS SOFTWARE.
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I had a little dreidel, I made him out of clay,
I breathed into his nostrils so dreidel I could play.
I made my little dreidel a friend for his own sake,
With gardens trees and apples, and a wonderful pet snake.
I took my little dreidel out just to have some fun,
I told my little dreidel to kill for me his son.
I flung my little dreidel o'er Egypt's burning sand,
But soon again I found him and gave him his own land.
So much I loved my dreidel and feared I'd be forsook,
That I wrote for my dreidel an interesting book.
Wherein I told my dreidel exactly how to play,
Just dread and fear and worship, and bless me all the day.
I twirled my little dreidel in Warsaw and New York,
And taught him to grow sidelocks, and never to eat pork.
But then my little dreidel began of me to tire,
So I showed who the boss is, and thrust him in the fire.
And when my little dreidel refused to give up hope,
I shook my head in wonder, and made him into soap.
So now my little dreidel knows just how rough I play,
For sure my little dreidel won't ever run away.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:04 pm |
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| Abdul Alhazred wrote: |
Who here knows The Dreidel Song? Or heard it as a child, whether you remember the lyrics or not?
If you went to public school in New York City when I did, you probably learned it as part of what later developed into multiculturalism. Never heard of any Jews singing it around the Menorah and certainly not in shul. And I don't know the origin.
Has anyone heard it "in the wild" so to speak?
However ...
Here is a set of atheist lyrics for The Dreidel Song that I snagged off USENET many years ago and have lovingly preserved.
Credit where credit is due. The author is Bernard S Greenberg.
The same one who wrote THIS, and developed THIS SOFTWARE.
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I had a little dreidel, I made him out of clay,
I breathed into his nostrils so dreidel I could play.
I made my little dreidel a friend for his own sake,
With gardens trees and apples, and a wonderful pet snake.
I took my little dreidel out just to have some fun,
I told my little dreidel to kill for me his son.
I flung my little dreidel o'er Egypt's burning sand,
But soon again I found him and gave him his own land.
So much I loved my dreidel and feared I'd be forsook,
That I wrote for my dreidel an interesting book.
Wherein I told my dreidel exactly how to play,
Just dread and fear and worship, and bless me all the day.
I twirled my little dreidel in Warsaw and New York,
And taught him to grow sidelocks, and never to eat pork.
But then my little dreidel began of me to tire,
So I showed who the boss is, and thrust him in the fire.
And when my little dreidel refused to give up hope,
I shook my head in wonder, and made him into soap.
So now my little dreidel knows just how rough I play,
For sure my little dreidel won't ever run away.
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Dreidel, dreidel, dreidel
I made it out of clay
And when it's dry and ready, with my dreiel I will play.
shit, public school in Forest Hills Queens, I couldn't help but know it.  |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:22 pm |
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I have never heard it 'in the wild', but then again, rural Nevada isn't exactly Jew Central.
The lyric "I had a little dreidel, I made him out of clay, I breathed into his nostrils so dreidel I could play" makes me curious though. I am not terribly familiar with the Jewish religion but I AM familiar with various and sundry monster stories. Is ther some connection to the golem legend that I am missing here? Because that sounds a lot like the stories of how to animate a golem. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:35 pm |
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| Abdul Alhazred |
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| Nyarlathotep: Think of various Bible stories. And the narrator of the song as the alleged Author behind the authors. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:42 pm |
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| Abdul Alhazred wrote: | | Nyarlathotep: Think of various Bible stories. And the narrator of the song as the alleged Author behind the authors. |
Ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh. Duh.
Thanks. It makes much more sense now.
Though I liked the image I had in my head of a Dreidel Golem.  |
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That would make someone an awesome avatar... |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:24 pm |
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| gnome wrote: |
That would make someone an awesome avatar... |
Shit. Magic is stealing all my ideas in advance.  |
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| It's just part of a phenomenon that you can search google for any two words as a phrase, and SOMETHING will likely come up. |
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| Abdul Alhazred |
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Bump for the beginning of Hanukkah, and an excellent article by Christopher Hitchens on the reason for the season. 
Bah, Hanukkah (Slate)
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Thus, to celebrate Hanukkah is to celebrate not just the triumph of tribal Jewish backwardness but also the accidental birth of Judaism's bastard child in the shape of Christianity. You might think that masochism could do no more. Except that it always can. Without the precedents of Orthodox Judaism and Roman Christianity, on which it is based and from which it is borrowed, there would be no Islam, either.
Every Jew who honors the Hanukkah holiday because it gives his child an excuse to mingle the dreidel with the Christmas tree and the sleigh (neither of these absurd symbols having the least thing to do with Palestine two millenniums past) is celebrating the making of a series of rods for his own back.
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At least he doesn't say anything bad about Santa Claus. |
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| Abdul Alhazred |
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The clash of faiths:
'Green Hanukkia' campaign sparks ire (Jerusalem Post)
| Quote: | In a campaign that has spread like wildfire across the Internet, a group of Israeli environmentalists is encouraging Jews around the world to light at least one less candle this Hanukka to help the environment.
The founders of the Green Hanukkia campaign found that every candle that burns completely produces 15 grams of carbon dioxide. If an estimated one million Israeli households light for eight days, they said, it would do significant damage to the atmosphere.
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Shas MK Nissim Ze'ev said he was not convinced by the environmentalists' argument. He warned that the campaign would take away from the light of Torah that each and every candle symbolizes.
"The environmentalists should think about how much pollution is caused by one solitary diesel truck on the road," Ze'ev said. "They should be fighting the trucks instead of Judaism. This is so trivial, so anti-Jewish and so anti-religious that even the worst anti-Semites couldn't think of it. Just like the Helenists, they are trying to extinguish the flames of the Jewish soul."
United Torah Judaism MK Avraham Ravitz called the environmentalists "crazy people who are playing with the minds of innocent Jewish people." He said the campaign would only convince people who do not light candles anyway.
"They should encourage people to light one less cigarette instead," Ravitz said.
Rabbi Benny Lau of Jerusalem's Ramban Congregation, who is himself an environmental activist, praised the good intentions of the people behind the campaign. But he said the environmentalists should be trying to reach out to observant Jews instead of running campaigns that turn them away.
"People in the green movement who have an agenda have unfortunately made it anti-religious," Lau said. "This makes religious people think incorrectly that anything environmentalist is against them. The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit. Tikkun olam [fixing the world] must be done by adding more light and not by adding more darkness."
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I'm detecting a certain amount of disingenuousness. Having the Orthodox mad at you over silliness could be a much better recruiting tool than winning them over.
Most Israelis don't like the Orthodox very much.
Of course true historical authenticity requires the use of olive oil lamps, not candles. |
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Well...
THAT..and how much does burning a candle harm the enviroment?
Seems like Bullshit to me. |
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