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| eli54 |
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ABC7 showed protesters boarding busses to go to Phoenix to protest the Arizona immigration law, most carrying no identification, and most looking hispanic. Wonder how Sherrif Joe is going to treat them if they get uppity?
If Obama is making it illegal for the states to enforce federal law, is he going to take the Constitution away from them too?
Maybe we should hire North Koreans or Iranians to patrol our borders?
I also saw that an Oregon firefightter crew chief is losing his job because several members of his crew don't speak English, and he doesn't speak Spanish. Does the government of Oregon knowingly hire illegals? I thought a requirement of citizenship was a reasonable grasp of the English language? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:26 pm |
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| eli54 wrote: | | I also saw that an Oregon firefightter crew chief is losing his job because several members of his crew don't speak English, and he doesn't speak Spanish. Does the government of Oregon knowingly hire illegals? |
No.
| Quote: | The news story that claims Oregon fire crew bosses are being fired/demoted because of their inability to speak Spanish is erroneous. Here are the facts:
The Oregon Department of Forestry (ODF) has no requirement that its employees speak Spanish, and does not demote or fire anyone because they don’t speak Spanish. And to our knowledge, no crew boss on the private contract fire crews that we use has ever been fired on account of not being able to speak Spanish, either.
ODF and its partner federal and state agencies in Oregon and Washington contract with private companies to supply fire crews, including crew bosses, for frontline firefighting work. These crews work under the guidance of incident management teams provided by ODF and other state and federal land management agencies.
Because English is the language of firefighting in the U.S., we must have the ability to communicate with all crews. Accordingly, the interagency contract requires that the leaders of contract crews speak English. This requirement covers the crew boss and the three squad bosses on a typical 20-person crew.
Companies may choose whom they hire for their crews. If a company elects to hire employees who do not speak English, then the supervisors of that crew must speak English as well as the language of any crew members who don’t speak English. This is a matter of good communication, safety and effectiveness for the agencies that hire crews under the contract, and we believe the system provides a sound resource for fighting fires that get larger than those that agencies can handle with their own employees. Over the years, the contract crews, including those with some non-English-speaking firefighters, have established a good record of safety and performance. |
http://www.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/889755:Topic:520745?commentId=889755%3AComment%3A520979
If anyone's hiring illegals it's the subcontractors. These are the people fighting seasonal forest fires, not the guys sitting at the station on Main St. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:43 am |
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| eli54 wrote: | | ABC7 showed protesters boarding busses to go to Phoenix to protest the Arizona immigration law, most carrying no identification, and most looking hispanic. Wonder how Sherrif Joe is going to treat them if they get uppity? |
Exactly the point the judge made.
The judge observed that legal residents, tourists, and citizens will sometimes get swept up in Arizona's law. That consequence is essentially un-American.
| Quote: | | If Obama is making it illegal for the states to enforce federal law, ... |
Except the court has observed that the Arizona law goes beyond the federal law. The Arizona law makes it a crime to be in the state illegally, whereas that is not a federal crime. |
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No comment from the defenders of the Arizona law?
Do you concede the judge is correct and you were wrong? |
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| xouper wrote: | No comment from the defenders of the Arizona law?
Do you concede the judge is correct and you were wrong? |
The judge was only asked for an injunction, and granted it on the grounds that there was a good chance they would prevail. She did not actually rule on the case.
This has a long way to go. |
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| WildCat wrote: | | xouper wrote: | No comment from the defenders of the Arizona law?
Do you concede the judge is correct and you were wrong? |
The judge was only asked for an injunction, and granted it on the grounds that there was a good chance they would prevail. She did not actually rule on the case.
This has a long way to go. |
Apparently you did not read what I posted. In the process of granting the injunction the judge made several observations. Including the fact that the Arizona law is not merely an enforcement of federal law. Did you not read where the judge said that the Arizona law makes it a crime to be in the state illegally whereas that is not a federal crime to be in the country illegally? The judge said the Arizona law goes beyond federal law. Do you disagree with the judge, or do you concede that you were wrong about that point? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:02 pm |
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| xouper wrote: | | eli54 wrote: | | ABC7 showed protesters boarding busses to go to Phoenix to protest the Arizona immigration law, most carrying no identification, and most looking hispanic. Wonder how Sherrif Joe is going to treat them if they get uppity? |
Exactly the point the judge made.
The judge observed that legal residents, tourists, and citizens will sometimes get swept up in Arizona's law. That consequence is essentially un-American.
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That is bogus. There is always a risk that the innocent will be "swept up" by some law. That is what we train our cops and have a legal system.
There is some weird agenda when it comes to illegals that is incomprehensible to me. It is as if the people who appear to be in control and do nothing just haven't thought about it.
In any event, this is a looser for the democrats from every conceivable standpoint. When it gets to SCOTUS we'll have another 5-4 decision. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:20 pm |
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| ed wrote: | | xouper wrote: | | eli54 wrote: | | ABC7 showed protesters boarding busses to go to Phoenix to protest the Arizona immigration law, most carrying no identification, and most looking hispanic. Wonder how Sherrif Joe is going to treat them if they get uppity? |
Exactly the point the judge made.
The judge observed that legal residents, tourists, and citizens will sometimes get swept up in Arizona's law. That consequence is essentially un-American. |
That is bogus. |
Then argue it with the judge.
| Quote: | | There is always a risk that the innocent will be "swept up" by some law. |
Not to the extent that this Arizona law will enable.
We should not have laws that require citizens to always carry "papers" to prove they have permission to be in the country legally. That's what's bogus.
If I get stopped and asked to prove I am in the country legally, I cannot. And that should not be grounds for detaining me. Nor should I ever be asked to prove that, except when crossing the border.
| Quote: | | There is some weird agenda when it comes to illegals that is incomprehensible to me. |
I am not defending illegal immigrants. To me, there is a higher principle at stake. I am defending against an intrusive police state. I do not like the power grab being made by the state here.
Find some other way to deal with illegal immigrants that does not infringe on the everyday privacy and liberties of citizens. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:27 pm |
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| ed wrote: |
That is bogus. There is always a risk that the innocent will be "swept up" by some law. |
Yeah, like OJ Simpson.
Oh wait, there isn't a big risk with most laws that the innocent will be swept up. In general, the cases where we have seen this had cases of racial profiling or police misconduct. |
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Does anyone know where I can get some federal figures on illegal-immigrant detentions?
From one side I hear the feds have a "do nothing" attitude, and from another side I hear more resources being invested into border patrol, and more detentions than ever. |
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