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Witness wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:14 pm Some gun news for our gun nuts fans:
Armed staff policy at Butler County school district illegal, Ohio Supreme Court says

CINCINNATI (FOX19) - A southwestern Ohio school district’s controversial policy allowing 10 teachers and other staff members to carry weapons on campus with just 24 hours of training is illegal, the state’s top court said Wednesday.

Madison Local Schools must follow current state law that requires more extensive training or 20 years peace officer’s experience, the 4-3 decision reads.

Ohio law permits school boards to decide whether to allow teachers and other staff to carry guns into school buildings.

But state lawmakers have mandated that they be well-trained with 728 hours first.

In 2018, in the wake of a shooting at one of its schools in 2016, Madison City Schools in Butler County approved a policy allowing armed staff with 24 hours training, including eight earned at a one-day class to obtain a license to carry a concealed weapon.
https://www.fox19.com/2021/01/12/armed- ... e-court-2/
Hmm, 728 hours? at 8 hours a day, 5 days a week that’s 4 or 5 months of solid firearms training.

Apparently, the average police officer training in the US takes about 4 months… and afaik that is mostly non firearms.

This is a back door ban.
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Giz wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:35 pm This is a back door ban.
Wondered about that too, but I'm not in the know about your rules over there. Perhaps just a typo? :notsure:
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San Jose Will Force Gun Owners to Cover Costs of Gun Violence After Mass Shooting

It’s a national first, just weeks after the Valley Transportation Authority mass shooting left nine dead in the Bay Area’s deadliest massacre.

Just five weeks after last month’s massacre at a San Jose light-rail yard that left nine people dead, the city has taken unprecedented gun-control action.

In a unanimous vote Tuesday night, San Jose’s city council approved a national first that will see gun owners being forced to compensate taxpayers for the spiraling costs of gun violence. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, gun owners in California’s third-largest city will be required to take out liability insurance for their firearms, and pay an annual tax that will help fund emergency responses to gun-related calls.

In a news release ahead of Tuesday night’s vote, San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo said: “While the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms, it does not require taxpayers to subsidize gun ownership... We won’t magically end gun violence, but we stop paying for it. We can also better care for its victims, and reduce gun-related injuries and death.”

The vote came one month after 57-year-old Valley Transportation Authority employee Samuel Cassidy carried out the worst mass shooting in Bay Area history. On May 26, Cassidy shot nine of his colleagues dead and then, when the police showed up, he turned the gun on himself. After the shooting, investigators found rifles, shotguns, handguns, and around 25,000 rounds of ammunition at the gunman’s home.

According to the Chronicle, the exact details of the gun tax are yet to be worked out. City officials haven’t decided exactly how much they’ll charge gun owners each year as the cost will be determined after an academic study calculates how much gun violence costs the city. The mayor’s office recently estimated its costs at around $442 million every year.

The move is expected to face legal challenges from gun-rights groups.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/san-jose- ... s-shooting





The usual:

Woman shot in face during road rage incident; suspect arrested, sheriff says – WSOC TV

Pro golfer shot and killed on Georgia country club golf course

New Haven police: 2-year-old points gun at detectives

11 Suspects Now in Custody Following Armed Standoff Off I-95 in Mass.: Police – NBC Boston

Chicago expressway shooting on I-90/94 critically injures woman, 55: CFD

Boys, 8 and 9, face involuntary manslaughter charges for shooting 62-year-old South Carolina man
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Those are not usual. Why do you keep lying?
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Grammatron wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:57 am Those are not usual. Why do you keep lying?
Harsh words, Gram. What's your definition of "usual"?





From the "Moorish Sovereign Citizens":
Defendants involved in standoff on I-95 in Wakefield refuse to cooperate in court

...

The defendants, 10 men and a 17-year-old juvenile, say they are members of a group called Rise of the Moors. Several of their supporters were also in court, while others watched remotely, sometimes interrupting.

They face several charges including unlawful possession of a firearm and ammunition and the use of body armor in commission of a crime, in connection with the standoff that started early Saturday morning on Interstate 95 in Wakefield.

State police say they recovered three AR-15 rifles, two pistols, a bolt-action rifle, a shotgun and a short-barrel rifle.

The standoff began when a State Police trooper stopped to offer assistance to the vehicles he found on the side of the highway that were refueling.

The men, who were dressed in military fatigues and body armor and were armed with long guns and pistols, did not have licenses to carry firearms in Massachusetts, police said.

They told police they were traveling from Rhode Island to Maine to conduct what they called “training.”

Some of the defendants ran into the woods along the highway, leading to a standoff that lasted several hours and prompted the closure of the busy highway on a holiday weekend.
https://whdh.com/news/defendants-involv ... -in-court/





The unusual (as per Grammy):

17-year-old David Castro dies after being shot in the head while driving home from Astros game - ABC13 Houston

Victims of California synagogue shooting can sue gunmaker - ABC News

Man with concealed carry license steps in, shoots gunman who shot 3, Chicago police say | Crime-and-courts | qctimes.com

Alabama police: Nearly two dozen shots fired into Democratic state senator's home | TheHill

July 4th weekend shootings: More than 230 people fatally shot in shootings over the Fourth of July weekend - CNN

Military member shot during party near Oahu graveyard; police investigate weekend crimes
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Witness wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:44 am
Grammatron wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:57 am Those are not usual. Why do you keep lying?
Harsh words, Gram. What's your definition of "usual"?
Well usually no one gets shot.
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People wanted trump out and the Dems in. We are living with the consequences.
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Giz wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:24 pm People wanted trump out and the Dems in. We are living with the consequences.
I think more wanted Trump out than wanted to prevent Biden in. Other way around when it was Her Turn :freedom:

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Grammatron wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:46 am Well usually no one gets shot.
Depends how you see it.
There were 614 mass shootings in 2020 that fit the inclusion criteria of this article, resulting in 446 deaths and 2,515 injuries, for a total of 3,061 victims. Compared to the previous year, there were 180 more incidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... es_in_2020
In 2020, gun violence killed nearly 20,000 Americans, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, more than any other year in at least two decades. An additional 24,000 people died by suicide with a gun.

https://i.imgur.com/oofXT5E.jpg
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... shootings/

That's 53 people per day, suicides excluded. You're just used to it.
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Witness wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:24 pm Depends how you see it.
I see it as an unusual tragedy or accident.
That's 53 people per day, suicides excluded. You're just used to it.
Or I understand how statistics work and cumulative data sets of USA population that are aggregated over such a large geographical area not necessarily representative of anything "usual."
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Is it time to bring up car accidents?

Or Hitler?

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Witness wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:24 pm
Grammatron wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:46 am Well usually no one gets shot.
Depends how you see it.

That's 53 people per day, suicides excluded. You're just used to it.
There are approximately 10 car fatalities a day in France. Adjusted for relative population compared to the USA, thats like 60 or so per day? Would you say dying in a car wreck is usual in France (but maybe some people don’t notice because they are just numb to it)?
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Doctor X wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:56 am Is it time to bring up car accidents?

Or Hitler?

– J.D.
Look, say what you like about Hitler.

But in his defense, he *did* kill Hitler.
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Important alert,

It's opening day at Saratoga.

It's late in the day we're at race 7, but many days of good times ahead.
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Giz wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:00 am There are approximately 10 car fatalities a day in France. Adjusted for relative population compared to the USA, thats like 60 or so per day? Would you say dying in a car wreck is usual in France (but maybe some people don’t notice because they are just numb to it)?
As you dragged cars and some other country into it, as per Wiki there are annually and per 100,000 inhabitants:

Code: Select all

USA         12.4 deaths         (between Turkey, Chile, Moldova and Egypt…)
France      5 deaths
Switzerland 2.2 deaths
from car accidents.

So you're at the level of some third-world-ish countries, nothing to be proud of.

That being said, driving in France is no picnic, especially in the South. I remember traveling with my (ex) GF and it was nearly bumper to bumper at full speed on the highway, so we got fed up and took the small roads and that was pure bliss. (Ah! The suspicious looks in the small village cafés, ha ha!)

Add that in accidents 5 to 10 times more people get seriously hurt or mutilated than killed. So yes, I think we have become numb.
In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 deadly, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000. About 2,000 children under 16 die every year in traffic collisions. Records indicate that there were 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013.
Wiki again

Imagine the uproar: "I've made a marvelous invention. You'll absolutely love it, but it will kill 30,000 people a year and hurt many more." :mrgreen:
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Witness wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:46 am
Giz wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:00 am There are approximately 10 car fatalities a day in France. Adjusted for relative population compared to the USA, thats like 60 or so per day? Would you say dying in a car wreck is usual in France (but maybe some people don’t notice because they are just numb to it)?
As you dragged cars and some other country into it, as per Wiki there are annually and per 100,000 inhabitants:

Code: Select all

USA         12.4 deaths         (between Turkey, Chile, Moldova and Egypt…)
France      5 deaths
Switzerland 2.2 deaths
from car accidents.

So you're at the level of some third-world-ish countries, nothing to be proud of.

That being said, driving in France is no picnic, especially in the South. I remember traveling with my (ex) GF and it was nearly bumper to bumper at full speed on the highway, so we got fed up and took the small roads and that was pure bliss. (Ah! The suspicious looks in the small village cafés, ha ha!)

Add that in accidents 5 to 10 times more people get seriously hurt or mutilated than killed. So yes, I think we have become numb.
In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 deadly, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000. About 2,000 children under 16 die every year in traffic collisions. Records indicate that there were 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013.
Wiki again

Imagine the uproar: "I've made a marvelous invention. You'll absolutely love it, but it will kill 30,000 people a year and hurt many more." :mrgreen:
I make a simple point about whether deaths per day is noticeable and you have to get all defensive.

Anyway, as it excises you, about the US and French road deaths:

“Americans have a higher average yearly mileage than anyone else in the world. Americans drive 13,476 miles per year on average, which is nearly 30% more than Canadians, who are second on the list at 9,562. Other car-dependent countries include Australia (8,555), Italy (8,256), and France (7,424).”

You’ll note that American and French road deaths per capita are similar once you adjust for distance travelled.
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Giz wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:00 am I make a simple point about whether deaths per day is noticeable and you have to get all defensive.

Anyway, as it excises you, about the US and French road deaths:

“Americans have a higher average yearly mileage than anyone else in the world. Americans drive 13,476 miles per year on average, which is nearly 30% more than Canadians, who are second on the list at 9,562. Other car-dependent countries include Australia (8,555), Italy (8,256), and France (7,424).”

You’ll note that American and French road deaths per capita are similar once you adjust for distance travelled.
Another mind reader… .~

I wasn't defensive nor does it excite me. You just don't like unpleasant things being said about USA!USA!USA! :mrgreen:

But to get to the point, I don't think the deaths/mile is a good metric here: the US is a big country by European standards so life is organized differently there, i. e. you rely a lot on cars to get things done. In my opinion we should look at stats like: "What are my chances to get killed if I go shopping / to the movies / to my job", &c. Because these are the things we have or want to do and we (have to) take the risk independently of the distance.
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More than 370 Texas Lawyers Raise Legal Concerns, Express Strong Opposition to HB 1515 and SB 8 in Open Letter

AUSTIN – Over 370 attorneys including county attorneys, current and former elected officials, former judges, law professors, and other members of the State Bar of Texas have signed an open letter to House Speaker Dade Phelan and members of the Texas House expressing strong opposition to House Bill 1515 and Senate Bill 8. These bills would ban abortion at six weeks gestation, before many people even know they are pregnant and create an unprecedented cause of action for the enforcement of healthcare regulations. HB 1515 and SB 8 would grant “any person” the right to sue an abortion provider or those who help someone access an abortion, including non-Texas residents and those with no connection to a patient. The cause of action is so broad it would allow a rapist to sue their victim’s counselor, physician or family and recover a minimum of $10,000 if they were successful.
https://avowtexas.org/2021/04/28/more-t ... en-letter/

Pleasing the fundies…





The (un?)usual:

3 shot outside barbershop after argument between 2 men over who won foot race a month ago - ABC News

Fort Worth PD: SUV driver fatally shot motorcyclist in self-defense in road rage incident

Affidavit: Altercation over spicy chicken leads to shooting at Memphis Burger King

Mom gunned down during trip to drop off son at Naval Academy: Police - ABC News

Isaiah Stokes: 'Law & Order: SVU' guest actor Indicted for murder of a man in 'brazen afternoon shooting,' Queens DA says - CNN