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Scotch Whiskey thread

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A friend of mine says someone just gave him a bottle of Tamnavulin double cask. Anyone here tried it? Looks as though if one were to buy it in the UK, it would go for 22 a bottle. By the time it gets to the States (USA!USA!) it's more like 150! Just wonder if it's worth it before I make the investment.

Cheers... :spewingdrink:
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"Sláinte": pronounced "slan-cha."

--S.D.
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sparks wrote:Tamnavulin double cask
Noted. I'll be at my favorite whisky bar this evening, and if they have it in stock I'll give it a go. :LagerLouts:

(I recently splurged for a 1981 Bas Armagnac – contrary to cognac they can have a vintage – as birthday gift for a lady born that year. How come the same bottle gets more and more expensive?!? :P )
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P. – S. https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/whisky/87312
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No luck: no "double cask". I can give you my opinion on the "22 years", but that's not the thread subject… :mrgreen:
(And RIP the armagnac.)
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I used to like Armagnac far more than cognac. Though there appeared to be a very bright line between cheap and expensive Armagnac that did not seem apparent with Cognac. That is to say that the quality of Cognac seemed to improve in a linear fashion with price whereas Arg. was shit until you got to the expensive stuff.
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See that Seagram's Crown Royal just left of center? Dad had several of those hidden away somewhere. Vintage 1964.

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Witness wrote:https://s2.postimg.org/5s11yd4op/Panneau_Whisky.jpg

No luck: no "double cask". I can give you my opinion on the "22 years", but that's not the thread subject… :mrgreen:
(And RIP the armagnac.)
Impressions and opinions please!
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Pyrrho wrote:See that Seagram's Crown Royal just left of center? Dad had several of those hidden away somewhere. Vintage 1964.

http://www.downies.com/aca/Auction309/a ... 09/555.jpg
My Dad was a big fan of Crown Royal. Too damned sweet for me. :BlowChunks:
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Just never got into scotch.

A long time ago, I worked for an auction house. One time, we got our hands on someone's bar (private bar they would have in their house). We could sell the bar itself, but lacking a liquor license we couldn't sell the booze in it. But it was some expensive hooch so rather than toss it, the guy that ran the place let us, his flunkies, divvy it up among themselves. One of the things I managed to get was a bottle of 30 year old scotch (Don't remembrer the brand), which I saved for my 30th Birthday...

I have siphoned gasoline and accidentally swallowed a bit. I think that tasted better. I hate scotch
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Doctor X wrote:"Sláinte": pronounced "slan-cha."

--S.D.
Can this be obtained here in the USA!!USA!! ?
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sparks wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:See that Seagram's Crown Royal just left of center? Dad had several of those hidden away somewhere. Vintage 1964.

http://www.downies.com/aca/Auction309/a ... 09/555.jpg
My Dad was a big fan of Crown Royal. Too damned sweet for me. :BlowChunks:
But the little bags it comes in are perfect for carrying dice to a D&D game.
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Nyarlathotep wrote:Just never got into scotch.

A long time ago, I worked for an auction house. One time, we got our hands on someone's bar (private bar they would have in their house). We could sell the bar itself, but lacking a liquor license we couldn't sell the booze in it. But it was some expensive hooch so rather than toss it, the guy that ran the place let us, his flunkies, divvy it up among themselves. One of the things I managed to get was a bottle of 30 year old scotch (Don't remembrer the brand), which I saved for my 30th Birthday...

I have siphoned gasoline and accidentally swallowed a bit. I think that tasted better. I hate scotch
You're right: Some Scotch's are downright nasty. Like bat urine strained through rotting eggs with a touch of kerosene.
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Sláinte

Tá fáilte romhat.

Lig do scíth


--S.D.
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Appreciate it, but I've a weeks work to do before the end of the day.

But when I finally get home tonight--
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sparks wrote:Appreciate it, but I've a weeks work to do before the end of the day.

But when I finally get home tonight--
How come it's signed by that guy from the Eurythmics?
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BWAHAHAHA...
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Balvenie is an old favorite.

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Rotgut. And, similar to the worm in tequila, does "Double Wood" mean there's two penises in each bottle?
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Penises in my Scotch? Sounds like a country-western song...
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"'Scotch?!' That's a person! It's "whisky!'"

--Neil Clapperton, Caddenhead's Malt Whisky Shop, Edinburgh

--J.D.
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sparks wrote:Impressions and opinions please!
I live to serve. :wink:

First be warned that I'm not a Speyside guy – it's Islay for me (peat, smoke, sea…).

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So I took notes (which was fun in itself) during the ~ half hour I sipped on that glass. And things changed a lot.

First impression: On the nose – floor wax, saddlery grease, putty perhaps; in the mouth – mostly alcohol, not much to taste (and that after 22 years!).

After that: The aroma went successively through peach – tar – toffee (mostly) – licorice – candy shop (my friend, who has a better nose than mine, also smelled aniseed and mint, but I could detect none of that); on the tongue, still nothing much (my friend commented "tastes like gin"!), or to be more precise, nothing different from the smell – we concluded "powerful but hollow".

Not very thrilling, I wouldn't buy a bottle. As for the "double cask", I've seen it mentioned as "a cheap Speyside", so beware.
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@ sparks (and others): it would be nice a good idea to keep this thread alive…

Only for health reasons, of course!
Spoiler:
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https://s11.postimg.org/dh3dwi6qr/blend_par9_1.jpg

See? Proof! :mrgreen:

OK, it's a "blended", I'll show myself out…
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More rotgut!
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Some blends can be very good indeed. But my palate prefers a single cask.

Now then: Anyone here heard of 'Middleton'? It's been recommended. Can't find it (at least not easily).
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"Midleton," and 'tis an Irish whisky done by Jamesons.

Rather nice that.

Very nice.

--J.D.
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Thanks Doc! :)
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True Story: I had an "in" for poitín. I would receive regular supplies, but then I had to move to a completely different time zone.

corp's Me Mum decided to travel to Éire, and she asked me what I wanted. I asked for, basically, poitín, as in whatever "local" stuff could be had. Not expecting corp's Me Mum to delve too far into illegal distilleries, I accepted--being Humble Yet MagNIfIcent--her to obtain standard whiskies.

She returned.

"I could not find any."

In Éire Ireland, she could not find whisky. That is like saying you went to Germany and could not find beer, or Japan and could not find pedophiles!

It just so happens we watched Waking Ned Divine. Now I am become Barry Scheck, unmaker of Marcia Clark: I kept stopping the movie to scream "THERE! Mr. Fong . . . er . . . Mum!" pointing out every fakin' bottle that appeared, and there were many.

corp's Me Mum took notes.

The next journey she returned with Midleton "based on recommendations" and I cannot praise it too highly. No one could drink more than two drams--not because it "was t3h d34dly"--it is just after two you feel really good and have no need to become stupid.

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Thanks again. Now that I know where to look for it, I shall. And upon finding it, I'll report my observations.
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I do not think you will be disappointed. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised since it is "something" a major distiller--Jamesons--produced.

When I were a Wee Spud unencumber'd by gnosis of uisge beatha http://forum.whiskymag.com/images/smili ... _smile.gif, I heard a wise but addled musician declare that Royal Salute was the "greatest" whisky in existence. We were at a bar, so he obtained access to it.

A man with some sophistication declared it "plasticy"--it tasted "like plastic." Indeed it did. This was a clear case of Emperor's New Clothes. I soon realized that a lot of blended "whiskies" were over-priced Bud Lite.

So I became an Advocate of Single Malts. http://forum.whiskymag.com/images/smili ... iggrin.gif

Clearly, only an Uneducated Peon Who Drinks Corona Lite[Tm.--Ed.] {Lite?} [With the urea removed.--Ed.] would drink a blended "scotch."

Then I was enlightened on the concept of single malt--which is a blend of whisky from a particular distillery, brought down to about 46%--cold filtered so the 'muricans can add ice without it turning cloudy!--and often adulterated with a bit of brown sugar to give it color! Far superior, then, is the single cask whisky. http://forum.whiskymag.com/images/smili ... iggrin.gifhttp://forum.whiskymag.com/images/smili ... iggrin.gif

Granted, that may be from a cask and then cold filtered and brought down to about 46%.

"Only pussies like the mens corps's Mom whips drink watered down whisky!" I declared to no one since I was alone in an unfurnished room at the time. A few mice may have remarked on the event.

I then learned that "cask-strength" whisky which can run >60% should not be drank at that. By bringing down the alcohol to ~46% you bring out a bunch of flavors. Seriously, As Real Men with Manly Men Things Man Manly Not Gay No, we ["We?"--Ed.] tend to equate higher alcamahol content with penis size and corps' Mom's satisfaction. Really, you have to bring it down or the alcohol overwhelms the flavor.

"Flavor? I thought pure alcomahol did not have a 'flavor?!'" Yeah, but it is the burning that overwhelms the taste. Pure Alcohol needs something.

In other words, it is all a journey that proves delightful to travel. Thus, I went a bit "full circle" and realized that Big Distilleries--while they may produce blended crap and all of that--also have some good stuff. Whisky is a bit like sherry in that it is blended to make a standard. Single-cask whisky may be good . . . it can also suck, but most will not sell "suck" as such, they will use it in blends.

So while Midleton is technically a blend from a Big Distillery, it is a fantastic job. While I may turn my nose up at "blended" whiskies, I do not mind my Macallan, Oban, Talisker, Lagavulin, or others that are not "cask strength."

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sparks wrote:Now that I know where to look for it, I shall. And upon finding it, I'll report my observations.
We count on it.

From what I googled, there's a bewildering variety of "Midleton(s)" (but most seem unavailable) with a corresponding price range. See e. g. http://www.celticwhiskeyshop.com/midlet ... sh-Whiskey.

Next time I'm out I'll give it a try – if possible.
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ed wrote:I used to like Armagnac far more than cognac. Though there appeared to be a very bright line between cheap and expensive Armagnac that did not seem apparent with Cognac. That is to say that the quality of Cognac seemed to improve in a linear fashion with price whereas Arg. was shit until you got to the expensive stuff.
Indeed. One of the differences is that armagnac vineyards occupy ~ 11 000 ha, versus 74 486 ha for cognac. Another is that cognac is much more an export product, so has to be bought by a wide spectrum of customers.
And third cognac is double distilled, while armagnac is very raw and needs a long stay in barrels to get tamed (so if you save on that…). Here is a short technical comparison: http://www.brandyclassics.com/news/2016 ... roduction/.
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Bunch of slackers! :x

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↑ I asked the barman to surprise me with an Islay. So he gave me an "unpeated style".

Smelled strongly of cherries. Yet it appears it wasn't aged in cherry casks (which I still doubt somehow).

Very strong, with some wood, undergrowth smell, mushrooms perhaps (?) but lots of alcohol. A sip's taste decreases slowly, some smoke, perhaps a hint of something like (red) wine. (The first sip reminded me of caramel, but that disappeared, as did the cherries.) Hints of sea, salt, what I would call iodine.

Globally smooth, but intense. Slight tendency to taste like an old cognac.

Wouldn't make it my favorite Islay (I definitely need peat), but an interesting experience.
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balvenie-17-year-old-doublewood-whisky.jpg
I'd just completed a difficult task at work in record time and one of the crew (who realizes how to grease an engineer) whips a bottle of this on me: Balvenie 17 year old double wood.

Damn. You know. Just damn! Now that is some really good Whisky.
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Any man who puts ice in it spends a month in the box!
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Latest tasting:

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Preparing the future:

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rotgut
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Very pleasant! :)
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Interactive: https://scotchgit.bitbucket.io/ (and link to a price/rating chart)
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Bought a bottle of:

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to remember the good time spent in Kraków. The vanilla/bison grass inside contains hemolytic stuff! :mrgreen: (Żubr is the wisent, the European bison.)