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Pyrrho wrote:
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sparks wrote:Ebola doesn't need to be airborne to infect: We have commercial airlines for that damnit!
Soooo ... it has mutated to becoming an airborne pathogen. Interesting.
I see what you did there.

Anyway, New York has nothing to worry about. Cleveland officials will be offering expert advice. All will be well.
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yeah but yeah but yeah but ... that assumes random processes. The odds of dying in a plane crash are whatever but if you don't fly, they are zero.

The fact is that Ebola is being spread by Islamists and that if you are in a major us city the odds of getting it, infecting your family and you all dieing are close to 87%. Further, the "axe strain" is likely to increase in virulence and range and will probably triple the above probability, at least.
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New York doctor diagnosed with Ebola; health officials say no cause for panic
"We want to state at the outset that New Yorkers have no reason to be alarmed," de Blasio said.


Fucker is a commie and can't be trusted. Lets examine his reassurance, shall we?
"New Yorkers who have not been exposed are not at all at risk."
I feel better now.

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One question: Why don't they quarantine returning health care workers over there rather than letting them fly home while they're not symptomatic, only to have them collapse at Joes Barn and Grill Bowling Emporium? And this dumb fucker is a doctor..........A GODDAMNED DOCTOR..............who proceeded to wander around the city while he should have been in his apartment for the required incubation period.

Dumb fuck.

Next up: The girlfriend will come down with it too because the very first thing they did when he got home was a 'missed you' fuck or two. It'll take about another two weeks to confirm her.

And then Dick Head says on TV: "We're doing everything that can be done." Except getting out in front of this shit.

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:
ed wrote: ... The fact is that Ebola is being spread by Islamists ...
Wait. What? :?


Oh that's right. Obama is one. :doh:
















:P :P :P :cowbell:
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sparks wrote:And this dumb fucker is a doctor..........A GODDAMNED DOCTOR..............
Doctors think they cannot get sick.

Lawyers think they cannot get sued.

Police think they cannot get arrested.

Mechanical engineers think they can fix their own cars.

Yadda . . . yadda . . . yadda. . . .

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Doctor X wrote:Doctors think they cannot get sick.

Lawyers think they cannot get sued.

Police think they cannot get arrested.

Mechanical engineers think they can fix their own cars.

Yadda . . . yadda . . . yadda. . . .

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Suggest we start a pool on how long it will be before the next case is confirmed in NYC.

My money is on........





wait for it...............




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sparks wrote:One question: Why don't they quarantine returning health care workers over there rather than letting them fly home while they're not symptomatic, only to have them collapse at Joes Barn and Grill Bowling Emporium? And this dumb fucker is a doctor..........A GODDAMNED DOCTOR..............who proceeded to wander around the city while he should have been in his apartment for the required incubation period.

Dumb fuck.

Next up: The girlfriend will come down with it too because the very first thing they did when he got home was a 'missed you' fuck or two. It'll take about another two weeks to confirm her.

And then Dick Head says on TV: "We're doing everything that can be done." Except getting out in front of this shit.

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They don't quarantine the doctors who work over there because Ebola can not be spread until you begin exhibiting symptoms. So instead, doctors who work over there are supposed to monitor themselves for symptoms for several weeks upon their return and check themselves into the hospital if those symptoms show up. Both of which he did. He was not a threat to anyone until he began to show symptoms. And once he began to show symptoms, he checked himself into a hospital with an isolation ward.

So there was no dumb fuckery involved, only panic on the part of people who don't understand the disease. Now, might his Ebola spread? Yes, but its as close to 100% certainty as it is capable to get in this world that if it does, it will be to other health care workers who are treating him, not to any of the people he came into contact with while "walking around New York".
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Thats what they want you to think...

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If you are going to worry about dying from an infectious disease, worry about the flu. If this is an average year, we ought to see 4000 deaths, just in this country. But no one freaks out over that, it is, as The Joker would say, "part of the plan". One guy dies from Ebola and everyone loses their minds.
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This article goes into why his walking around NY shouldn't worry anyone, and what precautions he took upon arriving home.

My favorite line from the article pretty much mimics my reaction to much of the hysteria I see about Ebola. I bolded it.
"It's completely unnecessary," says Harvard University's Ashish Jha, who has been studying the outbreak. "I'm a believer in an abundance of caution but I'm not a believer of an abundance of idiocy."
And one more salient point, for those demanding that anyone who has worked over there be immediately quarantined
We do not ask that doctors who treat patients with infectious disease spend their lives in quarantine — and for good reason. If the cost of treating infectious diseases was to give up everything else you love in life, no doctors would treat infectious diseases, and we would all be at much greater risk. Imagine how much worse the HIV/AIDS epidemic could have been if any doctor seeing patients weren't allowed to interact outside of the hospital. Few, if any, physicians would take that trade off.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Perhaps this coverage is a bit biased, but there appears to be a hipster connection.

http://gotnews.com/left-wing-hipster-de ... nyc-ebola/

That's right.

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Nyarlathotep wrote:If you are going to worry about dying from an infectious disease, worry about the flu. If this is an average year, we ought to see 4000 deaths, just in this country. But no one freaks out over that, it is, as The Joker would say, "part of the plan". One guy dies from Ebola and everyone loses their minds.
Yeah, I tried to point that out. Actually, I think you might be missing a zero. It's closer to 40,000 per year, isn't it?

But people die from the flu every year. Ebola is new, so somehow we place more importance on new threats than old ones.

Just imagine the media shitstorm if 40 people were to be infected with ebola this year, but that's still orders of magnitude less than the flu.
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Well the final quote is fallacious. HIV is rather different than Ebola diseases.

You have to work to get HIV--you have to have direct exchange of fluids that breaches the body's barriers. This is one of the reasons why it is primarily a sexually transmitted disease. Sexual practices result in abrasions and THAT is how the virus enters. That is in distinction to other "exchange of fluids" such as kissing, sharing a drink, et cetera. Obviously, direct injection of blood--such as in a transfusion--or sharing needles does the same thing. One also requires a concentration of virus--I do not have the numbers at hand but infection requires a "certain amount per unit of whatever."

Not so Ebola. The fluids are far more infectious as part of the disease process is the creation of such fluids the coagulopathy and tissue damage. The victim sheds virus all over the place--literally--and the fluid remains infectious for far longer than HIV.

The author of that statement might consider the precautions used when dealing with HIV+ patients and the handling of their waste--pretty much the same as any infected person with less scary but potentially deadly infections that are primarily blood borne and those mandated by an Ebola + patient. HIV is hardly a "Biohazard Level Oh FUCK" infectious agent.

The physician's statement is equally fatuous: precaution is not contingent upon the inconvenience of the physicians. Physicians put up with a lot more hardships and the like if they are actively practicing. She would have a point if she stressed that unless a patient demonstrates objective signs--such as fever, bloody diarrhea, or malignant flatulence--and symptoms then the patient cannot be infectious. This may not dissuade the Panicked and the Panicked Mongers anymore than 9/11 Tw00fer respond to reality. But she would then be able to point to the difference between an HIV+ patient and an Ebola patient in that in the former, one may be infectious without such signs and symptoms.

Not trashing the point of the article, just being precise. One should not fight hyperbole with more hyperbole because it can like threaten the cute children.

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Malignant flatulence? :o
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It was necessary.

You never heard the noise his family made when eating a boiled egg.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
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Mandatory quarantines in NY, NJ for health care workers coming from West Africa

http://www.dallasnews.com/ebola/headlin ... antine.ece

Nurse has had two blood tests for Ebola, tests are negative. She does not have a fever. Chris Christie and his Twitter handlers are claiming that she did develop a fever--this based on a forehead scanner result of 101, while oral thermometers register normal temperature.
At the hospital, I was escorted to a tent that sat outside of the building. The infectious disease and emergency department doctors took my temperature and other vitals and looked puzzled. “Your temperature is 98.6,” they said. “You don't have a fever but we were told you had a fever.”

After my temperature was recorded as 98.6 on the oral thermometer, the doctor decided to see what the forehead scanner records. It read 101. The doctor felts my neck and looked at the temperature again. “There’s no way you have a fever,” he said. “Your face is just flushed.”

My blood was taken and tested for Ebola. It came back negative.
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This is now developing into a 2016 Presidential election platform issue. Apparently Christie is bragging up his mandatory quarantine gambit on Fox News Sunday.

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Nyarlathotep wrote:
sparks wrote:One question: Why don't they quarantine returning health care workers over there rather than letting them fly home while they're not symptomatic, only to have them collapse at Joes Barn and Grill Bowling Emporium? And this dumb fucker is a doctor..........A GODDAMNED DOCTOR..............who proceeded to wander around the city while he should have been in his apartment for the required incubation period.

Dumb fuck.

Next up: The girlfriend will come down with it too because the very first thing they did when he got home was a 'missed you' fuck or two. It'll take about another two weeks to confirm her.

And then Dick Head says on TV: "We're doing everything that can be done." Except getting out in front of this shit.

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They don't quarantine the doctors who work over there because Ebola can not be spread until you begin exhibiting symptoms. So instead, doctors who work over there are supposed to monitor themselves for symptoms for several weeks upon their return and check themselves into the hospital if those symptoms show up. Both of which he did. He was not a threat to anyone until he began to show symptoms. And once he began to show symptoms, he checked himself into a hospital with an isolation ward.

So there was no dumb fuckery involved, only panic on the part of people who don't understand the disease. Now, might his Ebola spread? Yes, but its as close to 100% certainty as it is capable to get in this world that if it does, it will be to other health care workers who are treating him, not to any of the people he came into contact with while "walking around New York".
Some of that is quite true and thank you. Except.....................

The symptomatic/asymptomatic thing is not an on/off switch. If you've got Ebola, you are, in fact, capable of infecting others. It's just not as likely while you're asymptomatic because there's not enough virus in your precious bodily fluids.

Our Intrepid Health Care worker knows this and while I applaud his courage and conviction in trying to assist those in need, I think he is a goddamned fool for leaving his apartment during the (joke of a) quarantine period.
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Christie should be quarantined for being a dumbfuckery-spreading blimp.
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She could have had Double-Secret Ebola!

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Quarantined nurse to CNN: 'My basic human rights' are being violated

She is being held as a political prisoner by that brainless fat fuck Christie.
(CNN) -- Kaci Hickox, a nurse placed under mandatory quarantine in New Jersey, went on CNN on Sunday and criticized the "knee-jerk reaction by politicians" to Ebola, saying "to quarantine someone without a better plan in place, without more forethought, is just preposterous."

Hickox, an epidemiologist who was working to help treat Ebola patients in Sierra Leone, has tested negative twice for Ebola and does not have symptoms, she said.

"This is an extreme that is really unacceptable, and I feel like my basic human rights have been violated," Hickox told CNN's Candy Crowley on "State of the Union."
She slammed New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for describing her as "obviously ill."

"I'm sorry, but that's just a completely unacceptable statement in my opinion. For him -- a politician who's trusted and respected -- to make a statement that's categorically not true is just unacceptable and appalling," Hickox told Elizabeth Cohen, CNN's senior medical correspondent, in a separate interview.
At a news conference Saturday, the governor said, "I'm sorry if in any way she was inconvenienced, but inconvenience that could occur from having folks that are symptomatic and ill out amongst the public is a much, much greater concern of mine. I hope she recovers quickly."

Hickox said she has nothing to recover from. Her temperature is normal, and she feels fine.
"Everyone keeps asking how I'm feeling physically and of course I'm fine physically, but I don't think most people understand what it's like to be alone in a tent and decisions are being made that don't make sense and show no compassion," Hickox said, starting to cry.

"I just feel like fear is winning right now, and when fear wins, everyone loses."
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Doctor X wrote:She could have had Double-Secret Ebola!

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Which is trumped by Christie's Triple-Not-Secret Stupid!
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They kept her from her lawyer.
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ed wrote:They kept her from her lawyer.
They'll have to pry my lawyer from my cold, dead hands!
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Sounds like politicians are handling Ebola the same way they handle everything else: public gestures whose sole purpose is to give the appearance of "doing something" while in reality doing jack shit.
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For that one wouldn't there have to be something to gain?
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I guess I feel like enough fucked up shit happens that you don't have to manufacture it. Or even fuck it up on purpose. It'll just happen whether you want it to or not.
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http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... e_win.html

Debate about whether mandatory quarantines for returning health workers are a good precaution.

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Opportunists will take opportunity. Something I didn't know?
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The Lancet article on asymptomatic Ebola infection

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance ... 0/fulltext

Plus a thought-provoking graph:

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Re: The Official Ebola Thread

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Local idiot:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... nte_1.html
A Cleveland man briefly quarantined in MetroHealth Medical Center Sunday after he told emergency crews he thought he had Ebola is not at risk of carrying the disease, a city official said.

The man called 9-1-1 about 12:05 p.m. Sunday from a West Side house, Cleveland city spokesman Dan Williams said.

Cleveland firefighters arrived first, but the man "mentioned Africa and Ebola," Williams said, so the firefighters left and called in paramedics, who launched their full Ebola response protocol as a precaution, Williams said.

Paramedics donned full protective gear and took the man to MetroHealth, where medical officials interrogated him to determine if he was at risk of contracting the disease. After a few hours and not being able to get a straight answer, doctors determined the man was not at risk of carrying the virus, Williams said.

Williams also said the man was treated and released for an unrelated illness at MetroHealth Saturday night, and doctors told officials Sunday he showed no symptoms of the virus during the previous night's visit.
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Re: The Official Ebola Thread

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It's going to be a fun flu season.
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Since election day is tomorrow, there may be a political aspect here:

NBC/WSJ Poll: 71% Back Mandatory Quarantines for Ebola Health Workers

Support is strongest among Republicans and Tea Party supporters but about two-thirds of Democrats also favor quarantines.
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I'm not particularly against the idea. I don't know what is prudent. I put a good deal of trust in the CDC but it looks to me as they're a bit dumbfounded by it.