DMSO and fake science

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DMSO and fake science

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DMSO is with out any doubt a miracle

It’s an extremely useful and much used medicinal chemical, and also a great paint stripper, engine degrease, and dangerous as fuck if you don’t follow the directions

It’s both industrial solvent, and an essential part of modern medical science

If you believe US experts, medical experts, and the FDA, it’s only approved for one thing, and everything else is a maybe, because of fake science.

Like fake news, fake science can be really hard to deal with, and impossible to change. Of course the US isn’t the world, and DMSO is much used and much research is going on world wide.

But goddamn you even suggest it’s a useful substance for many medical matters, the fake news wokerati will want your head in a basket
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For the uninformed, the only thing you are allowed to do with it in the US, is to mix it 50/50 with distilled water and inject it directly into someone’s bladder.

As far as medical treatment, that is it.

The fake science is the part where they say it might be dangerous, too little is known about possible dangers, blah blah blah blah blah blah

This is complete and utter horseshit

It’s absolutely fake

And unlike many matters, this one is easy as fuck to debunk


In the memory of Randi, I will now do so
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Totally illegal

You can’t even mention that legally

Not a single claim can be made about DMSO under US law
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It’s possible for the brainwashed to disregard the animal use, trust me, they will

That’s not going to debunk the fake science

(The fact it’s been used on race horses, horses, cattle, dogs and such can be handwaved away with ease)

Even after 90 years of vets using it, that won’t work
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Just so you know, it’s sold everywhere for animal use, any farm goods or tractor supply will have it

Medical grade pure

But it will clearly say “solvent use only”, even have all kinds of warnings on it, which a farmer will ignore of course, except for the important one, the one that really does make it dangerous to use
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That will work

That’s the danger, anything mixed with it goes right into your blood, right through your skin
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Pro tip

Wear gloves
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I know nothing of Carleton or Randi in this regards
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The reason it's such a steaming pile of absolute horseshit, is because DMSO is used all the time in medical ways. In fact, it's absolutely essential in order to freeze tissue, sperm, eggs, and anything else you want to bring back to life.

That's right, it's the essential ingredient that penetrates right into living tissue, saturating eggs, sperm, any tissue, before you freeze it. With out DMSO, you will not be bringing any frozen material back to life.

So the DMSO that is not allowed for medical use, because you know, there is no evidence that it might not be harmful, is the exact same DMSO that they saturate eggs and sperm cells with, in order to protect them from death from freezing. And you can be damn sure they know it isn't going to fuck up reproductive cell, or they wouldn't dare use it.

UPDATE!

While researching the science, I found this.
In 2009, the first to obtain FDA approval for topological DMSO usage was PENNSAID®, which contains diclofenac in a carrier with 45.5% DMSO
OK so they approved a second use, and damn that is a high amount of DMSO, but hey, it must work well.

The fake science started in the 1960s, when they thought DMSO was causing eye problems. (it wasn't) But they shut down all research in the US over it.
Though clinical trials for medical applications of dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) reported toxicity in the 1960s, later, the FDA classified DMSO in the safest solvent category. DMSO became widely used in many biomedical fields and biological effects were overlooked
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-40660-0

That's putting it mildly.

For sure the amounts used as a cryoprotectant are not good, and nobody would ever want any part of their fucking body infused with almost pure DMSO, but goddamn, it is so incredibly useful, it's criminal how the FDA acts in this regard.
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Because it would be illegal, I can't even tell you what it's good for, what actually works. But it does work amazingly well, and we even know why.
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robinson wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:48 pm
1 I can't even tell you what it's good for, what actually works.

2 But it does work amazingly well, and we even know why.
That was an amazing bit of contradiction. Are you stoned?
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What I'm reading about it suggests that DMSO is just as good as placebo for most ailments.
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robinson wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:26 pm DMSO is with out any doubt a miracle

It’s an extremely useful and much used medicinal chemical, and also a great paint stripper, engine degrease, and dangerous as fuck if you don’t follow the directions

It’s both industrial solvent, and an essential part of modern medical science

If you believe US experts, medical experts, and the FDA, it’s only approved for one thing, and everything else is a maybe, because of fake science.

Like fake news, fake science can be really hard to deal with, and impossible to change. Of course the US isn’t the world, and DMSO is much used and much research is going on world wide.

But goddamn you even suggest it’s a useful substance for many medical matters, the fake news wokerati will want your head in a basket
I've heard claims that it cures dipshittery, but you are the example that clearly disproves it.
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shemp wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:45 pm I've heard claims that it cures dipshittery
No you haven't. You are just making shit up, or as Randi would say, you are full of shit.
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Rob Lister wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:21 pm
robinson wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:48 pm
1 I can't even tell you what it's good for, what actually works.

2 But it does work amazingly well, and we even know why.
That was an amazing bit of contradiction. Are you stoned?


Your reading comprehension is suffering.
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Pyrrho wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:14 pm What I'm reading about it suggests that DMSO is just as good as placebo for most ailments.
I don't believe you. Provide a source.
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The placebo argument is of course, one of the ways to avoid the evidence from animals. There is zero doubt about the treatment of animals, and animals are not subject to the placebo effect.

This is why I said the many years of treatment of animals will not matter at all. The fake science surrounding DMSO is quite strong.

For example, note that the info on an FDA approved use was just ignored.
In 2009, the first to obtain FDA approval for topological DMSO usage was PENNSAID®, which contains diclofenac in a carrier with 45.5% DMSO
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The hostility and skullfuckery involved are pretty common. They seldom change.

1. It's a scam

2. It doesn't work

3. It's dangerous

4. If it works so well they would be using it

5. If all else fails, attack the messenger!
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I’m debunking the misinformation about DMSO
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But let me be clear, there are also nonsense claims about using DMSO, which are also sort of insane

Like drinking it

While I have no evidence that drinking it is helpful or harmful, it just sounds crazy

Also, drinking it mixed with alcohol (ethanol) bypasses the liver and is really a bad idea
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robinson wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:13 am The placebo argument is of course, one of the ways to avoid the evidence from animals. There is zero doubt about the treatment of animals, and animals are not subject to the placebo effect.

This is why I said the many years of treatment of animals will not matter at all. The fake science surrounding DMSO is quite strong.

For example, note that the info on an FDA approved use was just ignored.
In 2009, the first to obtain FDA approval for topological DMSO usage was PENNSAID®, which contains diclofenac in a carrier with 45.5% DMSO
Animal models are a step up from in vitro models. There's a reason why clinical testing using human subjects is necessary for approval of drug therapies. Guess why.

Anyway, for the fans in the bleachers:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results? ... ity=&dist=
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That was/is a very good link.
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One of those studies is trying to confirm something that I have known about for 36 years
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Look, I’m not proposing, advising or promoting anyone to do anything, I stopped advocating decades ago, to the point that even if I knew something that could save your life, I wouldn’t say a thing.

When it comes to medical stuff, people are just nuts in the US

Even the mere hint of quackery is enough for the torches and pitchforks to come out, angry mobs to form, and the truth is no defense in these matters.
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Some things in life, in physics and even medicine are self evident. And some things are impossible to double blind, because it’s really self evident if you are getting the placebo when it comes to anything using DMSO, or just DMSO by itself.

This is a known problem. Nobody who has ever worked with DMSO has any doubt about that problem. Even a small amount is very self evident, it’s literally impossible to not know if DMSO is being used. The goddamn smell, the taste, it’s unforgettable, and it’s almost instant. You apply any to just your skin and you can taste it and smell it right away.

A large amount (more than a few drops) and you reek of it, it just moves through your body so fast, and the sulfurous stink is unbelievable
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It’s garlic, rotten eggs and some sewer gas all combined. Whatever the fuck you do, don’t put it down a sink where it will sit in the trap. It will smell so fucking bad it’s not a joke. It’s a very powerful solvent, and idiots can easily get sick or die using it with out precautions. Pretty much anything dissolved in DMSO WILL GO RIGHT INTO YOUR BODY, and that can be a very bad thing

SAME FOR ANYTHING ON YOUR SKIN IF YOU GET IT ON YOU
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Pyrrho wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:03 pm Animal models are a step up from in vitro models. There's a reason why clinical testing using human subjects is necessary for approval of drug therapies.
Except the most common usage of DMSO was never tested, much less on human subjects.
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Some medicine for fools:
Conclusions and clinical importance: A positive response to placebo administration, manifesting as a decrease in seizure frequency, can be observed in epileptic dogs. This is of importance when evaluating open label studies in dogs that aim to assess efficacy of antiepileptic drugs, as the reported results might be overstated. Findings from this study highlight the need for more placebo-controlled trials in veterinary medicine.

K R Muñana, D Zhang, E E Patterson.
Placebo effect in canine epilepsy trials, Vet Intern Med. Jan-Feb 2010;24(1):166-70.
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