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I said that I'd post some objects that I really really like. This is one.
It is what is called a "Hand and a half" sword.
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There are one handed swords and two handed swords, the idea here is that it can be wielded with one had but there is enough room on the grip for the user the gain additional force from his other hand. It weighs 3.5 lbs and is 47" overall with a blade of 37.5".

I dated this example to 1520 +/- but you can see a similar one in this famous Durer drawing dated 1498.
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The pommel is referred to as "writhen" ie writhing. Twisted, in knots.
With things like this finding something that is "untouched" from it's birth is unlikely. Often pieces are replaced, blades are remounted (as is so often the case with Japanese swords). My sense is that the pieces are in fact contemporaneous, the style of the finials (on the ends of the cross guard) are of a piece with the pommel. It all "fits" so to speak. I think that there is a good chance that the leather grip is "of the period" too. One could get a carbon dating but that avenue is also fraught.

There is a story of one of the giants of the arms and armour (he was a brit) area finding what he thought was dried blood under a grip. He had it "tested" with nebulous results. Today, we'd know. Such an investigation does not seem far fetched.
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The blade is marked "Andrea Ferrara". There is a bit at Wiki on him but I think it is wrong. Ferrara was a bladesmith of some repute, evidentually. So much so that other makers appropriated his name to, originally, deceive but later to add cachet. And still later, I suspect, as sort of a genuflection whose original purpose was lost. You see the name on a wide variety of blades.

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Finally, there is the engraving of the Passau Wolf, another image of questionable value insofar as identifying a point of origin of the sword.
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Wiki is useful for this:
During the Renaissance and early modern period, Passau was one of the most prolific centres of sword and bladed weapon manufacture in Germany (after Solingen). Passau smiths stamped their blades with the Passau wolf, usually a rather simplified rendering of the wolf on the city's coat-of-arms. Superstitious warriors believed that the Passau wolf conferred invulnerability on the blade's bearer, and thus Passau swords acquired a great premium. According to the Donau-Zeitung, aside from the wolf, some cabalistic signs and inscriptions were added.[5] As a result, the whole practice of placing magical charms on swords to protect the wearers came to be known for a time as "Passau art". (See Eduard Wagner, Cut and Thrust Weapons, 1969.) Other cities' smiths, including those of Solingen, recognized the marketing value of the Passau wolf and adopted it for themselves. By the 17th century, Solingen was producing more wolf-stamped blades than Passau was.
So bottom line Hand and a half sword, German ca. 1520.
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Back in my pub days, I employed a seriously hard fucker as a bouncer. He went off his nut one night, coked up to fuck and tried to kill his wife with a Samurai sword. The cops showed up and ran him over three times before managing to cuff and arrest him. I have lived in interesting times. :)
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I've never owned a sword, but I've seen one up close.
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Effective way to social distance ed, well done!
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asthmatic camel wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:02 pm Back in my pub days, I employed a seriously hard fucker as a bouncer. He went off his nut one night, coked up to fuck and tried to kill his wife with a Samurai sword. The cops showed up and ran him over three times before managing to cuff and arrest him. I have lived in interesting times. :)
True story.

Scary guy.
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Mr Morrison smirked at his victim
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I'm afraid I can't find one. Unarmed I was a match for him and we used to spar outside the pub now and then just to make it clear to the clientele that we weren't to be messed with. The coppers thought they were going to die!

Moz.

It was a tragedy, really. When he was straight he was a really clever, pleasant bloke. With a nose full of coke and a belly full of beer things were rather different.

He was released from Strangeways Prison a couple of years ago.

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Aw cmon

Who hasn’t got coked up and drunk and tried to kill their spouse with a sword?
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Here's our man. A heavy duty martial artist and body builder.

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asthmatic camel wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:51 am
asthmatic camel wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:02 pm Back in my pub days, I employed a seriously hard fucker as a bouncer. He went off his nut one night, coked up to fuck and tried to kill his wife with a Samurai sword. The cops showed up and ran him over three times before managing to cuff and arrest him. I have lived in interesting times. :)
True story.

Scary guy.
He tried to kill his wife with a samurai sword, but failed. Imagine how tough she was!
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She was bloody terrified! Yet she forgave him, understanding the problems he had.
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Dammit, the former lover I tried to kill hit me with the shovel I was making him dig his grave with. Kids these days...
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Having fun in ed's backyard:

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And this my friends is why the codpiece fell out of favor.
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See a big, hard bastard arned with one of these, fucking run!

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Crap repro.
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It'll kill you just as dead as the genuine article. Fucking run!
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asthmatic camel wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:59 am It'll kill you just as dead as the genuine article. Fucking run!
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Moz was a piece of work. A rather lovely lady used to drop by the local pubs selling seafood snacks. One guy gave her some shit one night and Moz kicked the living daylights out of him. Really, seriously. Broke his nose, jaw and several of his ribs. The guy deserved everything he got: the fish lady was a real love. :)
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I am beginning to appreciate why you have strict gun laws over there.
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Yep
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If they had guns they might overthrow the Queen or something
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ed wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:02 am I am beginning to appreciate why you have strict gun laws over there.
You don't need guns to kill people, trust me. Unarmed karate will do the job, if you're good. (And I am)
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ed, does the sword have a sheath, and if so is it original to the blade?
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It should. Jap blades are works of art and can be rehilted repeatedly ... and get new sheaths. I recall reading somewhere that ancient 17thc blades were in use during ww2. Ancient families/ ancient blades
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I read the Japanese had only low-quality ore available, which made steel making a very work-intensive process to get the impurities out.

Similarly in Europe lost horseshoe nails were collected from the streets to forge gun barrels: the constant cold hammering had driven out the impurities.

The famed Damascus steel owed its qualities to an admixture of vanadium (0.02%), which was of course unknown at the time. When the source dried up the tried-and-tested methods suddenly stopped working and by ~ 1800 Damascus steel was no more. (Source: John Emsley, Nature's Building Blocks.)]
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ed wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:29 pm Makes me think of this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_McLean
Moz would have kicked that's guy's arse. He couldn't often get at me because I'm a head taller but when he got a grip, you were in a shit-load of trouble.

Chris Little fancied himself as a local hardman until someone blew his head off.

I can't prove it, but I suspect Moz and his gang were involved.
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Now I’m scared to visit
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robinson wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:04 am Now I’m scared to visit
To be fair, violent crime is pretty rare in Britland. You'd generally have to be involved with some pretty nasty people to be at any real risk. It's a serious offence to carry an offensive weapon. A lock knife with a two-inch blade will get you a prison sentence.

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That must be why nobody gets knifed there
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