World's oldest and largest rape conspiracy still at it.

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U.S. prelate McCarrick resigns from College of Cardinals

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis has accepted U.S. prelate Theodore McCarrick’s offer to resign from the College of Cardinals following allegations of sexual abuse, including one involving an 11-year-old boy, and ordered him to conduct a “life of prayer and penance” in a home to be designated by the pontiff until a church trial is held, the Vatican said Saturday.

Francis acted swiftly after receiving McCarrick’s letter of resignation Friday evening, after recent weeks have brought a spate of allegations that the 88-year-old prelate in the course of his distinguished clerical career had sexually abused both boys and adult seminarians. The revelations posed a test to the pontiff’s recently declared resolve to battle what he called a “culture of cover-up” of similar abuse in the Catholic’s church’s hierarchy.

McCarrick has been removed from public ministry since June 20, pending a full investigation into allegations he fondled a teenager over 40 years ago in New York City. A man, who was 11 at the time of the first alleged instance of abuse, says a sexually abusive relationship continued for two more decades. McCarrick has denied the initial allegation.
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Chile's national prosecutor requesting Vatican sex abuse files

SANTIAGO (Reuters) - Chile’s national prosecuting authority said on Wednesday that it had asked the government to submit a formal request to the Vatican for information about nine clergymen and lay workers who have been accused of sexual abuse of children.

The prosecuting authority said in a statement that national prosecutor Jorge Abbott had asked the foreign minister to enact three International Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters requests in relation to cases from the capital Santiago, the city of Valparaiso and the southern region of Araucania.

It said it could submit additional requests in the future.

“The document was sent confidentially through the Unit of International Cooperation and Extraditions of the National Prosecutor’s Office to Chile’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs so that it can send the referral to the Vatican through diplomatic channels,” the prosecutor’s office said.

Chilean authorities have raided a number of Roman Catholic Church offices in Chile as part of investigations into accusations by prosecutors and victims groups that Church authorities covered-up or failed to properly investigate abuse.

The prosecutor’s office said on Wednesday that it was investigating 38 accusations of sexual abuse against 73 bishops, clerics and lay workers in the Roman Catholic Church, involving 104 victims, most of whom were underage at the time of the alleged abuse.
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Just to be evenhanded with all Religions©:
St. Louis Park rabbi arrested in underage sex sting operation

The rabbi, a director of youth outreach, was arrested in a sting leading up to the Super Bowl.
http://www.startribune.com/st-louis-par ... 489947281/ for details.
Church Sides with Pastor Charged with Sexual Abuse of a Child
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/withoutacr ... f-a-child/ for the usual cover-up.
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Don't get this bit
ordered him to conduct a “life of prayer and penance”
This is a crime, not a case of not genuflecting in front of the altar. How is it that the Pope is not arrested for obstruction?
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ed wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:28 am Don't get this bit
ordered him to conduct a “life of prayer and penance”
This is a crime, not a case of not genuflecting in front of the altar. How is it that the Pope is not arrested for obstruction?
The Vatican is treated as a sovereign state and the pope is the head of state.

I guess Abdul beat me to it.
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OK then. What about every person under him who abetted the crime (alleged)?
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We need Mueller
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Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:51 pmThe Vatican is treated as a sovereign state and the pope is the head of state.
From Wikipedia:
The Italian Government has a treaty with the Vatican that guarantees areas of immunity to Vatican officials, including bishops and priests. This has made it difficult to get accurate figures as to how many priests and other religious officials are alleged to have committed sexual abuse.
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‘They Hid It All’: Catholic Priests Abused 1,000 Children in Pennsylvania, Report Says

Bishops and other leaders of the Roman Catholic Church in Pennsylvania covered up child sexual abuse by more than 300 priests over a period of 70 years, persuading victims not to report the abuse and law enforcement not to investigate it, according to a searing report issued by a grand jury on Tuesday.

The report, which covered six of the state’s eight Catholic dioceses and found more than 1,000 identifiable victims, is the broadest examination yet by a government agency in the United States of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. The report said there are likely thousands more victims whose records were lost or who were too afraid to come forward.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/c ... vania.html
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300 priests in one state alone!! :-|

I mean, Jesus Ass-raping Christ people! :roll:

There's no way you can spin that as just "a few bad apples", it sounds like the whole barrel is rotten.
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I had considered making the former and now current Head Cover-Upper the Fucking Asshole of the Week but that would seem to diminish their "achievements."

Meanwhile, the current Pope had a hand in the cover-ups.

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Witness wrote: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:11 am Chile's national prosecutor requesting Vatican sex abuse files
Update:
Office of Military’s Catholic bishop raided as Chile digs deeper into sex abuse scandal

SANTIAGO – Authorities raided the office of the bishop to the armed services on Thursday as part of investigations into accusations that senior Roman Catholic Church officials covered up claims of sexual abuse by clergymen in Chile.

The raid on the office of Santiago Silva had been conducted by court order and authorized by the defense minister and the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, according to a provincial prosecutor leading the investigations.

Silva is also president of the Chilean bishops’ conference.
https://santiagotimes.cl/2018/08/09/off ... e-scandal/

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Again for the sake of impartiality, from the Locarno film festival:
Special Jury Prize: "M"

At a first glance, the M under which symbol the French director and Special Jury Prize 2018 winner Yolande Zauberman presents her work, brings to mind the title of Fritz Lang's masterpiece, M - Eine Stadt sucht einen Mörder; and even if we are dealing here with a documentary, the resemblance is immediately revealing. M also tells of an investigation that crosses a whole city and a whole population; M, too, follows in the footsteps of a "monster" that strikes at children. However, it does not identify itself with a person: the "monster" recounted by Zauberman is the whole climate of repression and silence surrounding the child rape in the ultra-orthodox Jewish community of Bnei Brak, Israel. Menahem Lang, one who fled at the age of twenty after a childhood of abuse and followed by Zauberman's camera, conducts the enquiry and returns to the crime scenes and with poignant innocence interrogates strangers, acquaintances, friends, relatives, bringing to light the violence with disconcerting naturalness, and investigating with them the whole relationship of a community closed with its sexuality.
https://www.locarnofestival.ch/pardo/pa ... -2018.html
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Second cardinal withdraws from Ireland congress amid abuse scandals

DUBLIN (Reuters) - The Archbishop of Washington, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, withdrew on Saturday from next week’s World Meeting of Families in Dublin, the second senior cleric to pull out of the Roman Catholic event amid clerical sexual abuse scandals in the United States.

The meeting, a major congress held every three years, will be closed by Pope Francis during the first papal visit in almost 40 years to Ireland where a series of abuse scandals has also rocked the church’s standing in the once staunchly Catholic country.

The withdrawal from the Dublin event followed a bombshell grand jury report this week that detailed widespread abuse by hundreds of priests in Pennsylvania and a systematic cover-up campaign by their bishops over a 70-year period.

Wuerl, who was Bishop for the Diocese of Pittsburgh in western Pennsylvania from 1988 to 2006, has not himself been accused of any wrongdoing against children.

The report found that Wuerl notified the Vatican in 1989 of several priests who had been accused of sexually abusing children but that over subsequent years he granted requests by some to be reassigned to other parishes or to retire early, and in one case approved a loan to assist one such priest with personal debts.
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A leading papal diplomat’s bombshell letter accusing Pope Francis of overlooking sex abuse claims against ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick while reversing prior sanctions on him is being seen as a possible Vatican coup attempt against the reformist pope — while others say it undermines his legitimacy.

Former Holy See diplomat Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano released a letter late Saturday that states former Pope Benedict XVI had ordered McCarrick to cease public ministry amid sex abuse allegations, but that Francis in 2013 restored him.

The National Catholic Register and LifeSiteNews.com published the letter as the pope wrapped up a two-day visit to Ireland dominated by the clerical sex abuse scandal. Vigano, 77, urged the reformist pope with whom he’s publicly feuded to resign over the issue and what he called the “conspiracy of silence” about McCarrick.

“The corruption has reached the very top of the church’s hierarchy,” Vigano wrote.

“You make your own judgment,” Francis told press aboard his plane departing Ireland yesterday. “I will not say a single word about this.”

Some Catholic scholars question the motives behind Vigano’s inflammatory accusations, but also say the claims are deeply serious as scandal continues to wrack the Catholic Church.

“There are many things in Archbishop Vigano’s letter that are very disturbing, but also some unsupported statements and accusations that raise serious doubts,” Dr. Peter Steinfels, author and former co-director of the Fordham Center on Religion and Culture, told the Herald.

“But claims are either true or false regardless of the motives or partisan spirit that drive them.”

Thomas Groome, a former priest who’s now a professor at Boston College’s School of Theology and Ministry, said he does not find Vigano a credible source.

“Having been removed by Pope Francis, his critique may well be colored by some personal sentiments,” Groome told the Herald.

The Rev. James Weiss, a religious historian at Boston College, told the Herald there’s no evidence for many of Vigano’s claims.

This is about the most sinful thing a priest or a bishop could do at a time More "sinful" than raping children, apparently. when the church is rocked with uncertainty about this,” Weiss said.

“It is calculated to damage the church and he should lose his status as a bishop and a priest.”

But Bishop Joseph E. Strickland of Texas found the allegations in Vigano’s letter “credible,” and called for a “thorough investigation,” into the pope, according to LifeSiteNews.com.

Strickland told his diocesan priests to “include this notice in the Masses on August 26, and post it on their websites and other social media immediately.”

Vigano’s letter also mentions Boston’s Cardinal Sean P. O’Malley, Francis’ point man on the safety of children in the church.

O’Malley has become embroiled in scandal lately as other church officials have alleged he was warned about McCarrick and did nothing.

O’Malley countered with a statement blaming his executive secretary for not passing along the letter of warning.

“Regarding Cardinal Sean O’Malley, I would simply say that his latest statements on the McCarrick case are disconcerting, and have totally obscured his transparency and credibility,” Vigano wrote.

The Boston Archdiocese referred all comment on the Vigano letter to the Vatican.

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Tangentially on topic: Netflix Japan recently made the movie Spotlight available. I think I may check it out soon, as I haven't seen it yet.
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It is a bit overwrought.





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Recently in Ireland:

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The New York Times has a report about the accusations from Vigano. The National Catholic Reporter also did a fact check on some of Vigano's claims that could be checked and found that at least some of the things he said appear to be false and others could not be verified.

The short version is that Vigano is an "arch-conservative" with an ideological bone to pick.

Pope Francis, the Accusations and the Back Story (New York Times)
Aug. 27, 2018

LONDON — For people who are not immersed in the doctrines and politics of the Roman Catholic Church, the uproar over new accusations against Pope Francis can be hard to parse — a mix of the sexual abuse scandals that have rocked the church, and bitter factional infighting over its direction.

How closely those two factors are related is unclear, as is the credibility of the allegations against the pope. But at a time when the church is enduring an international crisis, largely over generations of sexual misconduct and cover-ups, the suggestion that Francis was in any way complicit could pose a threat to his papacy.

Here, then, are answers to some of the big questions raised by the controversy.

What has the pope been accused of?
An archbishop, Carlo Maria Viganò, released a letter claiming that Pope Francis, his predecessors and others in the church hierarchy knew of sexual misconduct by Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, the archbishop of Washington, years before it was made public.

Archbishop Viganò said he told Francis in 2013 that the pope’s predecessor, Benedict XVI, had ordered Cardinal McCarrick “to withdraw to a life of prayer and penance” because of the accusations against him. But Francis, Archbishop Viganò wrote, empowered Cardinal McCarrick, allowing him to help choose American bishops.

Cardinal McCarrick was forced to resign last month, and Archbishop Viganò said the pope must resign, too. The pope said he would not dignify questions about the claims with a response.

The letter was timed to coincide with the pope’s visit to Ireland, where the church has struggled to fashion an effective response to revelations of clerical abuse and cover-ups that have severely damaged its authority. Francis, after being criticized for appearing to play down similar allegations in Chile and elsewhere, has worked hard in recent months to be seen as taking them more seriously.

Archbishop Viganò, the Vatican envoy to the United States until Francis removed him in 2016, has long been at odds with the pope and has campaigned against what he sees as the pernicious influence of gay priests. His letter not only accused church leaders, by name, of covering up clerical misconduct, but also claimed that some of them are gay.

He has cast the church’s abuse scandals as a problem stemming from homosexuality, claiming that a gay cabal is corrupting the institution from within.

That history, and some inconsistencies in accounts of the events Archbishop Viganò described, have prompted questions about how concerned he really is about the handling of Cardinal McCarrick and whether he is more interested in using the case as a cudgel against a pontiff he opposes.

What are the ideological divisions in the church?
The most volatile disputes have to do with social issues on which public opinion in Western countries has moved away from church teaching — among them homosexuality, abortion, divorce and remarriage.

The pope’s defenders say it is less a matter of changing church doctrine than of how the church treats people who have broken with that doctrine. Critics say Francis is undermining established and immutable principles.

Francis sent shock waves through the Catholic world soon after his election as pope in 2013 by saying, “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” He did it again less than two months later, saying that the church “cannot be obsessed” with issues like abortion, homosexuality and birth control.

His 2016 statement on the family urged priests and congregations to be more welcoming of people it long castigated as sinners, and to focus more on social missions like caring for the poor. And he broke with tradition in proposing a less centrally governed church, urging elements of the church around the world to find their own approaches to difficult issues.

The church also still has older, simmering ideological disputes dating to the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. There are archconservatives within the church who oppose the changes made since then, like having priests celebrate Mass in languages other than Latin and allowing them to place communion wafers in parishioners’ hands rather than on their tongues.

Who opposes Francis within the church, and why?
There is a sizable faction of traditionalist prelates who have resisted the pope’s moves to liberalize the church to accommodate modern attitudes — which they see as a weakening of doctrine. They include Cardinals Gerhard Müller and Walter Brandmüller, who are German; Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke, an American; and Cardinal Carlo Caffarra, an Italian who died last year, among others.

“There are bishops who like what Pope Francis is doing, bishops who don’t like what Pope Francis is doing and hope he goes to his eternal reward, and bishops who are just confused by Pope Francis,” said the Rev. Thomas J. Reese, a Jesuit priest who writes for The National Catholic Reporter. “Certainly the ones who don’t like him, who are most ideological, are the most vocal.”

But it is not just bishops who object to what Francis has done. Last year, dozens of Catholic scholars signed a public letter critiquing the pope’s statement on the family.

Much of the opposition is ideological, but the pope’s defenders say some of it is about raw power.

Francis has sometimes ignored the recommendations of conservatives high in the church in appointing archbishops and cardinals, and he has campaigned against “clericalism,” the primacy of the church hierarchy’s authority. He has pointedly rejected some of the privileges of his office, declining to live in the Apostolic Palace.

“He was criticizing the way priests and bishops around the world had been living and operating for many years,” said John Thavis, an author of books on the church and its leaders. “The progressives were very pleased, and the traditionalists were disturbed.”

Haven’t there always been disputes?
There have been doctrinal disputes for as long as there has been a church, but they tended to be kept under wraps.

Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, who led the church for 35 years, not only slowed the pace of change after the Second Vatican Council, but also enforced strict discipline among bishops and theologians in seminaries.

Francis, on the other hand, upending conservatives’ expectations, has repeatedly invited dissent — and they have obliged him.
Former ambassador Vigano accuses Vatican of covering up McCarrick scandal for years (National Catholic Reporter)

KNOCK, Ireland — A former Vatican ambassador to Washington has published an 11-page letter filled with accusations against dozens of former and current high-level officials in the Catholic Church, claiming there was a systemic cover-up of allegations that now former cardinal Theodore McCarrick was sexually abusing seminarians.

Archbishop Carlo Vigano, who served as the Holy See's chief diplomat in the U.S. capital from 2011-2016, also claims that Pope Benedict XVI had placed unannounced sanctions on McCarrick, barring him from celebrating Mass publicly or traveling, and ordering him to a life of prayer and penance.

In an unprecedented broadside by a Vatican diplomat against a sitting pontiff, Vigano then accuses Pope Francis of ignoring the imposed sanctions and calls on him to resign in order to "set a good example for cardinals and bishops who covered up McCarrick’s abuses."

Although the Vatican press office said it would have "no immediate comment" on the letter, released by National Catholic Register and LifeSiteNews early Aug. 26, at least several of its claims appear contradicted by the historical record.

McCarrick, for example, was seen celebrating numerous public Masses throughout Benedict's papacy and continued traveling around the world until the announcement in June that the Vatican had ordered his removal from ministry over an accusation of abuse that had been deemed credible.

Benedict also did not hesitate to act publicly when another cardinal, Scotland's Keith O'Brien, was accused of improper sexual relationships. In that case, Benedict accepted O'Brien's resignation and his decision not to attend the 2013 conclave that elected Francis.

Beyond his factual claims, Vigano's letter is laced as well with ideological claims about other Catholic prelates. He says one, for example, has a "pro-gay ideology" and that another "favored promoting homosexuals into positions of responsibility."

McCarrick, who led the Washington archdiocese from 2000-06, became the first U.S. prelate to renounce his position in the College of Cardinals July 28.

NCR has chosen not to name prelates identified by Vigano in his report except in cases where the officials were known to be his or McCarrick's direct superiors or predecessors, due to the inability to corroborate the former ambassador's account.

Vigano claims that two of his predecessors in Washington, Archbishops Gabriel Montalvo and Pietro Sambi, "did not fail" to notify the Vatican about allegations against McCarrick as early as 2000, the year when Pope John Paul II appointed McCarrick archbishop of the capital city.

Vigano says Sambi forwarded one specific accusation against McCarrick to the Vatican's then Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in 2006. The accusation, Vigano says, was made by a priest of the Charlotte diocese who was laicized for abusing minors.

The former ambassador says he wrote a report on the accusations in his role at the time as the Vatican's Delegate for Pontifical Representations, which was given to Bertone and now Cardinal Leonardo Sandri, who was then Bertone's second-in-command and is now head of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches.

Vigano says his report was "kept by my superiors, and was never returned to me with any actual decision by the superiors on this matter." He says he raised the issue in a second memo in 2008, which was also never answered.

But he says he then learned sometime later from Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, then the head of the Congregation for Bishops, that his second memo had an effect.

"Pope Benedict had imposed on Cardinal McCarrick sanctions similar to those now imposed on him by Pope Francis," states Vigano. "The Cardinal was to leave the seminary where he was living, he was forbidden to celebrate [Mass] in public, to participate in public meetings, to give lectures, to travel, with the obligation of dedicating himself to a life of prayer and penance."

Vigano says he does not know when Benedict took his alleged action against McCarrick, but suggests it happened in 2009 or 2010. He blames the delay on the former pontiff's action on Bertone.

The former ambassador also alleges that Cardinal Donald Wuerl, who took over leadership of the Washington archdiocese after McCarrick's resignation for reasons of age in 2006, was informed of the sanctions placed on his predecessor.

Wuerl's spokesman, Ed McFadden, said in a statement to Catholic News Agency that the cardinal "did not receive documentation or information from the Holy See specific to Cardinal McCarrick’s behavior or any of the prohibitions on his life and ministry suggested by Archbishop Vigano."

The former ambassador claims he brought up the allegations against McCarrick with Francis for the first time in 2013, about three month's after the pope's election as pontiff. He said he told the pope that the Congregation for Bishops had a dossier on the prelate and that he had "corrupted generations of seminarians and priests."

Vigano then claims that Francis had made McCarrick "free from all constraints" and allowed him to travel and give lectures, but cites no evidence of any sort of papal directive overturning Benedict's alleged earlier imposition of sanctions.

"Pope Francis has repeatedly asked for total transparency in the Church and for bishops and faithful to act with parrhesia," states the former ambassador. "The faithful throughout the world also demand this of him in an exemplary manner. He must honestly state when he first learned about the crimes committed by McCarrick, who abused his authority with seminarians and priests."

Vigano's tenure in Washington ended in controversy when his name surfaced in questions over how Francis came to meet a Kentucky county clerk who defied a U.S. federal court order to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples during his 2015 visit to the U.S.

Francis accepted Vigano's resignation from his diplomatic post in April 2016, about three months after the prelate reached the traditional retirement age of 75.

Vigano himself has also been accused of covering up sexual misconduct.

Three months after his departure from Washington, a 2014 memo he had written ordering the quashing of an investigation into alleged homosexual activity on the part of now former St. Paul-Minneapolis Archbishop John Nienstedt was made public at the conclusion of a criminal investigation.

Vigano had also ordered the destruction of a piece of evidence. Nienstedt resigned from his post in 2015.

Release of the former ambassador's letter came as Francis was on an Aug. 25-26 visit to Ireland, hours before Francis was expected to have his traditional press conference with journalists on the flight back to Rome.
And NPR has this report on the Pope's visit to Ireland:

Pope Ends Visit To A Disillusioned Ireland, Where Church Authority Has Plunged
Back in 1979, Pope John Paul II arrived in Ireland to an outpouring of love, affection and enormous crowds, including an estimated 1.2 million people for a Mass in Dublin's Phoenix Park.
. . .

Francis spent the weekend in a radically different Ireland than the one John Paul II encountered. It is richer, more educated, more secular — and deeply disillusioned after revelations of widespread clerical sexual abuse, the cruelty of church-run workhouses that took children away from their unwed mothers and repeated church cover-ups.

When John Paul II visited, weekly Mass attendance in Ireland was around 80 percent and homosexuality was illegal. Today, Mass attendance hovers around 35 percent. In 2015, Irish people voted to legalize same-sex marriage. Ireland's Taoiseach, or prime minister, Leo Varadkar, is openly gay. In May, two-thirds of voters went against church doctrine and cast ballots to remove a constitutional amendment banning abortion.

"Most people here in Ireland have changed their views on the church due to the hurt and the neglect that's been caused," said Catherine Malone, Carmel's daughter, who wheeled her mother to the sidewalk to see the pope. "Ireland was such a poor country back in 1979, but so much was expected from us. We were really bullied into donations every week."

Whereas the last papal visit was a national celebration, some people at Francis' Sunday Mass in Phoenix Park were a little defensive amid all the criticism of the church as it continues to grapple with what has become a global sexual abuse crisis. Sarah O'Rourke, who teaches religion in a Roman Catholic primary school, went to witness Francis' message so she could bring it back to her students, the vast majority of whom don't attend Mass. She brought her family but didn't tell several acquaintances because she thought they might be critical.
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The pontiff's message of contrition was marred by a new allegation: Over the weekend, a former Vatican official accused Francis of ignoring sexual misconduct allegations for years against an American cardinal and called on him to resign. In an 11-page letter, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò — a former Vatican ambassador to Washington — said he had told the pope five years ago that Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington, D.C., faced extensive allegations of sexual misconduct.

Viganò said the pope did nothing. McCarrick resigned last month, but he maintains his innocence. The pope dismissed Viganò's letter, which took the form of a political attack and, according to the National Catholic Reporter, contained factual errors.

"Read the statement carefully and make your own judgment," the pope told reporters. "I will not say a single word on this."
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Now that's a copypasta wall! :figamagee:
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Irish PM: time to move Catholic church from centre of society

Leo Varadkar’s speech during papal visit focuses on church’s failings over child sexual abuse

The Irish prime minister has called for a new relationship between church and state in which religion is no longer at the centre of society, as the pope made his first visit to Ireland this weekend.

In a blistering speech focusing on the failings of the church, delivered in the presence of Pope Francis, Leo Varadkar, the taoiseach, said a new covenant for the 21st century was needed that reflected the modern country Ireland had become and learned from “our shared mistakes”.

Pope Francis, who is on a two-day visit to Ireland, repeated earlier acknowledgements of the “grave scandal” of child sexual abuse and the church’s failures to confront it, but he failed to address survivors’ growing demands for action.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... d-emotions

Aw, even the Irish. Soon the Poles? :mrgreen:
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Aretha Franklin bishop sorry after 'groping' Ariana Grande

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He's a Pentecostal "bishop", not Roman Catholic. But that is pretty blatant. One of those American "megachurch" pastors.

I guess he's claiming it was inadvertent. Seems doubtful to me. You would be able to feel where your hands are.
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He just took his cue from Bill Clinton and Smokin' Joe Bidden and other Democrats:
http://i.imgur.com/HjxC8pR.jpg
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/im ... 1lfk92.jpghttps://throughthelookingglassnews.file ... =789&h=444
https://i.imgur.com/nxOtOqE.jpg
https://theuniversalspectator.files.wor ... biden.jpeg
while President Trump is Making America Anime Great
http://i.imgur.com/EaNbdgb.jpg
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Anaxagoras wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:12 am He's a Pentecostal "bishop", not Roman Catholic.
Comic relief. But then I don't make fine distinctions between the various breeds of cockroaches…

You want the Pope's goons? Here ya go:
Nebraska Catholic diocese rocked by old abuse allegations

LINCOLN, Neb. – For more than a decade, a conservative Catholic diocese in Nebraska was the only church in the U.S. that refused to participate in annual reviews of sexual misconduct that were a key reform enacted in the wake of the 2002 Boston clergy abuse scandal.

As a new wave of abuse scandals rock the Roman Catholic church, critics say the Diocese of Lincoln is now paying the price for its unwillingness to change and lack of transparency.

Accusers have been coming forward in recent weeks with allegations of sexual abuse and misconduct by clergy in Nebraska, and the diocese is facing a potential criminal investigation and criticism that it mishandled abusive priests even as it should have been subjected to increased scrutiny after the Boston scandal.

From 2002 to 2015, leaders of the Lincoln diocese refused to participate in annual audits designed to uncover sex abuse allegations and gauge how well church officials were complying with child-protection policies. Church leaders called the audits a pointless endeavor that assumed wrongdoing by the diocese and its priests, but one of the bishops during that period knew of at least two allegations against priests, according to interviews and a letter obtained by The Associated Press.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/02/ne ... tions.html
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But it is: All the carbon being emitted by the rotting corpses of Suicide Altar Boyz(tm) is warming the Planet!!!11


What?


Over the top??


BTW--Suicide Altar Boyz is a new band that does Punk Christian music wearing gay-cut rainbow colored cassocks and penis-shaped mitres.
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Controversy continues to grow within the Catholic Church over the devastating priest abuse scandal. In his morning mass Monday, Pope Francis told parishioners silence is the best response to those seeking scandal and divisiveness.
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Pope- ... 58611.html

How surprising. :roll:
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He's aiding and abetting now, and from the pulpit.

Cunt.
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New York Attorney General Subpoenas Catholic Dioceses in Sex Abuse Probe, Law Enforcement Source Says

(ALBANY, N.Y.) — New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood has subpoenaed all eight Roman Catholic dioceses in the state as part of an investigation into the handling of sex abuse allegations.

A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation but not authorized to speak publicly told The Associated Press the subpoenas went out Thursday.

The subpoenas seek documents relating to abuse allegations, payments to victims or findings from internal church investigations.

Underwood’s office is pursuing a civil investigation into the church’s response to abuse reports and has also reached out to local prosecutors authorized to convene grand juries or pursue criminal investigations.

Church officials say they will cooperate.
http://time.com/5389003/new-york-attorn ... ic-church/
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"Church officials say they will cooperate."

Sure. And the Easter Bunny is real. Meet my invisible friend Harvey.
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Ramsay informed the Vatican in a November 2000 letter about then Cardinal Theodore McCarrick's misconduct with seminarians from Seton Hall University's Immaculate Conception Seminary. Ramsay, who in 2000 was on the faculty at the seminary, has said he sent the letter at the request of the then-Vatican ambassador because he had heard so many complaints from seminarians that McCarrick would invite them to his beach house and into his bed.

Sandri, now a top-ranked Vatican cardinal who was the No. 3 in the Vatican's secretariat of state at the time, wrote Ramsay on Oct. 11, 2006, seeking his recommendation for a former seminarian for a Vatican job.

In it, he referred to Ramsay's 2000 letter, saying: "I ask with particular reference to the serious matters involving some of the students of the Immaculate Conception Seminary, which in November 2000 you were good enough to bring confidentially to the attention of the then-Apostolic Nuncio in the United States, the late Archbishop Gabriel Montalvo."

Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, at the center of a storm rocking Pope Francis' papacy, cited Ramsay's 2000 letter in his own expose of a cover-up about the McCarrick affair. He named Sandri among a long list of Vatican officials who knew about McCarrick's penchant for seminarians. Vigano also accused Francis of knowing in 2013 of McCarrick's misconduct but of rehabilitating him from sanctions purportedly imposed by Pope Benedict XVI.

Sandri's letter is significant because it corroborates Ramsay's story as well as Vigano's claims. It shows the Vatican knew about allegations against McCarrick in 2000, a year before St. John Paul II made him a cardinal. And it further implicates the Benedict's papacy for failing to take action against McCarrick for years even as more allegations against him arrived.

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↑ He really gets disgusting.

Meanwhile:
Fort Wayne-South Bend diocese releases names of 18 priests or deacons accused of sex abuse
https://eu.indystar.com/story/news/2018 ... 340562002/
Priest abuse: Bay Area politicians call for statewide probe of Catholic Church
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/18/ ... ic-church/
Brooklyn Diocese Is Part of $27.5 Million Settlement in 4 Sex Abuse Cases
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/nyre ... oklyn.html
NJ hotline to report abuse in Catholic Church inundated with calls, attorney general says
https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/n ... 346758002/
Bishop of Tucson responds to continued reports of abuse in Catholic Church
https://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/2018/09/1 ... ic-church/
N.J. Catholic dioceses releases priest sex abuse victims from agreements, says victims are free to talk
https://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/ ... abuse.html
Expert weighs in on Catholic culture following priest scandal lists
The list of priests who have credible allegations of sex abuse within the Catholic church in the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend has been released.
https://www.wndu.com/content/news/Exper ... 42451.html
Priest from Nunciature Jailed for Child Porn
https://thetablet.org/priest-from-nunci ... hild-porn/
And from the Christians:
Parishioners defy Chicago Archdiocese, burn rainbow flag in 'exorcism' ceremony
A priest and parishioners from the Resurrection Parish in Chicago burned a rainbow pride flag that had once been prominently displayed in their Roman Catholic church. [Certainly the most urgent thing to do…]
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out ... ny-n910666
Scandals don’t undermine Church authority

https://i.imgur.com/52XURVZ.jpg

This Church Jesus commissioned is historically and unarguably the Catholic Church, and it still speaks today with the same authority and protection from error by the Holy Spirit that Jesus gave it from the beginning. It is a divine institution, built upon rock by Jesus himself, but made up of weak, sinful human beings. We cannot necessarily expect the same perfection from its members in their daily lives as we do from the doctrinal teaching of the Church itself. [snipped out]

https://bccatholic.ca/content/scandals- ... -authority
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Witness wrote: Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:43 am
This Church Jesus commissioned is historically and unarguably the Catholic Church, and it still speaks today with the same authority and protection from error by the Holy Spirit that Jesus gave it from the beginning.
"This Church Jesus commissioned is historically and unarguably the Catholic Church, and it still speaks today with the same authority and protection from error by the Holy Spirit that Jesus gave it from the beginning."

What a load of shite.

"I declare X to be true and further declare that you cannot argue with X or question X. Further, it is a sin to even so much as think about questioning X."

Doesn't quite work, does it? Oh, I know: Not me, "God declared it!" That's better. You gonna question God?? Who are you to question God?!?

The whole basis of the Catholic Church is a series of dogmas that are just flatly asserted to be true without any evidence. Period. No questioning is allowed.
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Worse, it has a history.

No one can recover "what" the Historical Junior said or did, despite their claims that seem to amazingly match what they want. There is prior to the Squishing of Jerusalem--legitimate Pauline letters--and then the source gospel written after--Mk--an eschatological assumption. The world is going to end.

Paul clearly preached "soon!" because he has to waffle and prevaricate in a letter to those worried about the fact that some of them have died prior to "it" happening. No word on whether or not James, his "Pillars of Jerusalem," and the "super apostles," as Paul derisively refers to presumably those who actually knew the Historical Junior unlike him, would agree with this eschatology. They could. They could not. After 70 CE, they were not around to comment.

"Catholicism" is not even that early. We are talking hundreds of years, many sects branching out. It just happened to be the one main branch "left" that then continued developing. They, of course, pretend they are a straight line when all they are, at best, is a branch with everything before pruned.

Remnants survived, some stamped out. Others went backwards to try to recreate the past based on modern thinking like modern "Wiccan/Druid" and whatever the fuck Odin worshippers call themselves these days.

People into time machine fantasy wonder about meeting the Historical Junior. Since nothing that could ever possibly be from him is actually interesting, I would rather want to know what his brother James and his possible twin brother Thomas think about a virgin birth.

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Anaxagoras wrote: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:48 am"This Church Jesus commissioned is historically and unarguably the Catholic Church, and it still speaks today with the same authority and protection from error by the Holy Spirit that Jesus gave it from the beginning."

What a load of shite.
There's also the small matter of the Orthodox schism (or earlier the Nestorians who were in China long before the first Jesuits), the Protestant split-off, and today's dust of sects, all Christian.

And the bigger picture is still:

https://i.imgur.com/noJrSxX.png
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And it goes on:
Bishop Franco Mulakkal exploring options to evade arrest; rape survivor nun's sister launch hunger strike
https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/new ... 843755.cms

Fuck them all. With a cactus. https://i.imgur.com/bEGZQlz.png
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Priest Extradited Back to New Mexico After He Fled Sex Abuse Lawsuits

A U.S. priest who fled the country amid allegations of child sex abuse decades ago has been extradited back to New Mexico [from Morocco] to face charges, the Associated Press reports. 80-year-old Arthur Perrault, formerly a priest in the Archdiocese of Santa Fe and an ex-Air Force chaplain, vanished in 1992 days before two lawsuits were filed claiming he sexually assaulted seven children at St. Bernadette parish. According to the Justice Department, Perrault fled to Canada then Tangier, Morocco, where he worked at an English-language school for children. Church records released in 2017 show that he has also been accused of sexually abusing at least 38 other boys in state lawsuits. Perrault has been with charged with “seven counts of aggravated sexual abuse and abusive sexual contact” for incidents at Santa Fe National Cemetery and Kirtland Air Force Base—where he allegedly abused a boy younger than 12. “There were some people who doubted Mr. Perrault would ever be back to New Mexico after being away for so long,” FBI special agent James Langenberg said in a Friday press conference. “It was important to prove them wrong for one reason — the victim in this case.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/priest-ex ... e-lawsuits (with link to original article, where I found his creepy portrait)

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Cardinal Who Met With Pope About Sex Abuse Scandal Is Accused of Mismanaging Priest

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A leading American cardinal who met with Pope Francis on Thursday to discuss the sex abuse crisis that has engulfed the Roman Catholic Church is facing criticism over his management of a priest who was arrested this week on charges of indecency with children.

The cardinal, Daniel N. DiNardo, of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston, has been accused of knowing about at least two episodes of sexual abuse by a priest, who was allowed to remain in ministry for years.

During the course of more than a decade as pastor of a Texas church, the priest, Manuel La Rosa-Lopez, was also appointed by Cardinal DiNardo to a leadership role in the archdiocese as episcopal vicar for Hispanics.

In a statement on Wednesday, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests said the actions of Cardinal DiNardo “show that the Catholic Church cannot be trusted to police itself.”

The archdiocese said on Thursday that it had taken appropriate action each time an allegation against the priest was brought to its attention.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/14/us/p ... nardo.html
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Witness wrote: Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:40 am
Priest Extradited Back to New Mexico After He Fled Sex Abuse Lawsuits

A U.S. priest who fled the country amid allegations of child sex abuse decades ago has been extradited back to New Mexico [from Morocco] to face charges, the Associated Press reports. 80-year-old Arthur Perrault, formerly a priest in the Archdiocese of Santa Fe and an ex-Air Force chaplain, vanished in 1992 days before two lawsuits were filed claiming he sexually assaulted seven children at St. Bernadette parish. According to the Justice Department, Perrault fled to Canada then Tangier, Morocco, where he worked at an English-language school for children. Church records released in 2017 show that he has also been accused of sexually abusing at least 38 other boys in state lawsuits. Perrault has been with charged with “seven counts of aggravated sexual abuse and abusive sexual contact” for incidents at Santa Fe National Cemetery and Kirtland Air Force Base—where he allegedly abused a boy younger than 12. “There were some people who doubted Mr. Perrault would ever be back to New Mexico after being away for so long,” FBI special agent James Langenberg said in a Friday press conference. “It was important to prove them wrong for one reason — the victim in this case.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/priest-ex ... e-lawsuits (with link to original article, where I found his creepy portrait)

https://i.imgur.com/nRMnTXx.jpg
Didn't he play one of the leeches in 'Attack of the Giant Leeches'?
MV5BNmRiMzlkZGItNjU1My00ZWQyLThlMzMtMjliY2NkYzFiNDExXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNTc4Njg5MjA@._V1_UY268_CR2,0,182,268_AL_.jpg
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sparks wrote: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:13 pm Didn't he play one of the leeches in 'Attack of the Giant Leeches'?
There's something slimy about him (why I posted the pic). :|