Charter schools

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Charter schools

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Charter schools are like private schools funded with public money. The theory is that by allowing competition, the best schools will prevail. Some are very good, but not all of them. Taken as a whole, they don't seem to be better than traditional public schools in aggregate. I liked this video from John Oliver on this issue:

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No big mystery: When funding goes to hell, so does the level of service.
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In the US it varies from school district to school district though. Each school district is funded by the community it serves, so the wealthiest communities have the best funded schools, and the poorest ones are the poorest.

http://www.edweek.org/ew/section/multim ... ss-us.html
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:The rich kids get more expensive toys and a free ride, but that does not equate to a good education.
That doesn't pertain to Charter schools or religious schools but certainly to high-end private schools.

The answer is probably. The key ingredient is the teacher. The private schools don't pay more than the public schools but nor do they [have to] suffer bad teachers. Or bad students. Problem kids get booted. Public schools can't do that. No bad teachers + no disruptive students = better education.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:The US spends more per pupil than anybody, even the Swiss.

Maybe they are just plain not doing it right.
You are right.

My bad.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:It wouldn't have come up at all if the regular public schools weren't failing so badly.
They just need more money for teachers, of course.

Earning $100,000 plus benefits for a 7 hour work day, for only 170 days compared to the typical 250 days of a full time worker is just not enough.
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What teacher makes 100k?
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In my state the superintendents make $250,000 before bonuses. Principles make upwards of $160,000. teachers can make up to $116,000 base pay.

This is all public information, these are state and local funds. Open government. Our local paper publishes the school employees making over $75,000 every year, its mostly teachers.
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What state are you in? I could show you how to look up how much you are paying teachers and administrators.
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I'm in a state of depression.

Like Planet X, we have no teachers here. Over payed or otherwise.
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sparks wrote:I'm in a state of depression.
Come on. There is a Jewish (?) saying roughly along the line: "From dust we return to dust. But between the two there is alcohol single malt. How couldn't we dance?" :wink:
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Ecclesiastes > Chapter 10 > Verse 19

AA is in the footnotes
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↑ Thanks Rob. The reference to money is cute. :wink:

But I was thinking of a Hasidic saying. I have a vague recollection of some groups (sects?) dancing, singing (& hyperventilating to get dizzy?), around a bottle of booze: from time to time one of the guys would step out of the circle to go get a swing.
But I'm not sure at all.

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OK, no bottle, no circle.
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Re: Charter schools

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Abdul Alhazred wrote:More Detroit Public School Principals Have Been Charged With Crimes in 2016 Than All the Charter School CEOs in John Oliver's Rant
Reason

Interesting, but might not be a fair comparison.

Maybe some of the Detroit Public School principals crimes aren't school related at all, such as armed robberies of convenience stores committed on their own time.
Not only that, but there are about 97 public schools in Detroit, and (I presume) 97 principals. How many Charter School CEOs are there?
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Rob Lister wrote:Ecclesiastes > Chapter 10 > Verse 19

AA is in the footnotes
I read only good books.

And what the hell is Abdul doing in the Babble? :o
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Anaxagoras wrote:Charter schools are like private schools funded with public money.
No true, they are just slightly less regulated than the typical public school. It is a scam to make people that can not afford to send their children to private schools, in the face of the failure of the public school system, think they can win a lottery ticket to the 'better' school.

It defuses public outcry over the failed education monopoly that is government schools.
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I was thinking though, this is a first world problem. In America we worry about whether our kids are getting a good education, not whether we are going to be able to feed them tomorrow or they are going to be killed by a barrel bomb tomorrow.
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JEROME DA GNOME wrote:
Anaxagoras wrote:Charter schools are like private schools funded with public money.
No true, they are just slightly less regulated than the typical public school. It is a scam to make people that can not afford to send their children to private schools, in the face of the failure of the public school system, think they can win a lottery ticket to the 'better' school.

It defuses public outcry over the failed education monopoly that is government schools.
Strange definition of monopoly...