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With out stopping travel, there is no stopping a contagious disease
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Fecal transmission was reported February 20, 2020

Airborne transmission from SARS was reported in 2003
A virus-laden aerosol plume emanating from a SARS patient with diarrhea was implicated in possibly hundreds of cases at Hong Kong’s Amoy Gardens housing complex in 2003.
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That shit might kill you

Fuck masks, we need to require sealed underpants
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"60% more infectious." (actually 56%) And 70% a couple of days ago.

More people are getting Covid, but that doesn't mean the virus is more infectious, and claiming it is looks like a lot of GIGO to me. The only statistical difference I've seen has been that the new variety is infecting more children than before, so it might just be more infectious in children.

I'd love to add up how many papers on Covid have been released without any peer review.
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Fortunately non western countries know how to deal with this shit
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I'm starting to think the Asians are going to end up ruling the world. If the west can't do shit about a mild virus that hardly kills any healthy people, imagine what will happen when a really bad version is released by China
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There's also more than one new strain. There's a new one in England, a new one in South Africa, and a new one involving minks. Probably more that we don't even know about in countries that don't do sequencing.
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Data, sequencing, and published papers can be researched at The National Library of Medicine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sars-cov-2/
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Anaxagoras wrote: Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:55 pm There's also more than one new strain. There's a new one in England, a new one in South Africa, and a new one involving minks. Probably more that we don't even know about in countries that don't do sequencing.
Are we sure the new UK strain isn't the mink strain?

I've been looking for details but haven't pinned it down yet.
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Wuhan’s Covid Cases May Have Been 10 Times Higher, Study Shows
  • Some 500,000 may have been infected in China’s virus epicenter
  • China has been criticized for allegedly undercounting its data
The scale of the Covid-19 outbreak in Wuhan early this year may have been nearly 10 times the recorded tally, a study conducted by China’s public health authorities indicates, leaving the city where the coronavirus first took hold still well short of the immunity required to protect against a potential resurgence.

About 4.4% of those tested were found to have specific antibodies that can fight off the pathogen that causes Covid-19, indicating they were infected some time in the past, according to a serological survey of more than 34,000 people conducted in April by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. The data was released late Monday.

That ratio would suggest that with Wuhan home to about 11 million people, as many as 500,000 residents may have been infected, nearly 10 times more than the 50,000 confirmed Covid-19 cases reported by health authorities in mid-April, when the survey was conducted.
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The China CDC survey showed a far less impact of the virus outside Wuhan, which was effectively shut off as a way of containing the outbreak. The positive rate for antibodies dropped to 0.44% for the broader Hubei province, which was also placed under a three-month lockdown. Only two people tested positive for the antibody among the 12,000 surveyed in six other Chinese cities and provinces, including Beijing, Shanghai and Guangdong, suggesting an extremely low prevalence of the virus across the rest of the country.

The results for Wuhan mean even China’s worst-hit city is still vulnerable to Covid-19. Epidemiologists say at least half a population needs to have come into contact with the virus for even the minimum threshold for herd immunity. But the city’s rate of infection is generally in line with those found in other countries after the first wave of coronavirus infections, the China CDC said in a press release published on its website.

The antibody positive rates in Spain and Switzerland this spring, for example, were as much as 6.2% and 11%, respectively, the China CDC said. While those are higher than the 4.4% found in Wuhan, and come before later waves that have swept across Europe, they still fall short of the herd immunity threshold.

Since quelling the Hubei outbreak, China has largely contained the coronavirus, with sporadic flareups since April snuffed out through aggressive contract tracing and quickly testing millions of people in a matter of days.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... udy-shows?

We'll take it with the requisite "Chinese grain of salt".
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I tend to believe the commie Chinese in matters of mass testing
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https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... he/617531/
A more transmissible variant of COVID-19 is a potential catastrophe in and of itself. If anything, given the stage in the pandemic we are at, a more transmissible variant is in some ways much more dangerous than a more severe variant. That’s because higher transmissibility subjects us to a more contagious virus spreading with exponential growth, whereas the risk from increased severity would have increased in a linear manner, affecting only those infected.
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And it's hitting just as hospitals are full.

This is going to be a very dark winter in the NH.
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Not in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand or the other countries that stopped allowing the spread of corona
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robinson2 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:36 pm Not in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand or the other countries that stopped allowing the spread of corona
Yep - there's a lesson to be learned that white people in the NH failed to learn.

Hospitals here and Aussie are under no strain either, and are getting a shot in the arm by scooping up medical staff escaping USA: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... ew-zealand
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... onavirus1/
Back in Wuhan, where the lockdown was finally lifted on April 8, China’s bat woman is not in a celebratory mood. She is distressed because stories from the Internet and major media have repeated a tenuous suggestion that SARS-CoV-2 accidentally leaked from her lab—despite the fact that its genetic sequence does not match any her lab had previously studied. Other scientists are quick to dismiss the allegation. “Shi leads a world-class lab of the highest standards,” Daszak says.

Despite the disturbance, Shi is determined to continue her work. “The mission must go on,” she says. “What we have uncovered is just the tip of an iceberg.” She is planning to lead a national project to systematically sample viruses in bat caves, with much wider scope and intensity than previous attempts. Daszak’s team has estimated that there are more than 5,000 coronavirus strains waiting to be discovered in bats globally.

“Bat-borne coronaviruses will cause more outbreaks,” Shi says with a tone of brooding certainty. “We must find them before they find us.” 
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We must bring them to our lab, modify them, study them, in order to protect the human race
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Pyrrho wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:32 pm
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... onavirus1/
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“Bat-borne coronaviruses will cause more outbreaks,” Shi says with a tone of brooding certainty. “We must find them before they find us.” 
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Might help if people stopped eating everything that moves.
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China clamps down in hidden hunt for coronavirus origins

MOJIANG, China (AP) — Deep in the lush mountain valleys of southern China lies the entrance to a mine shaft that once harbored bats with the closest known relative of the COVID-19 virus.

The area is of intense scientific interest because it may hold clues to the origins of the coronavirus that has killed more than 1.7 million people worldwide. Yet for scientists and journalists, it has become a black hole of no information because of political sensitivity and secrecy.

A bat research team visiting recently managed to take samples but had them confiscated, two people familiar with the matter said. Specialists in coronaviruses have been ordered not to speak to the press. And a team of Associated Press journalists was tailed by plainclothes police in multiple cars who blocked access to roads and sites in late November.

More than a year since the first known person was infected with the coronavirus, an AP investigation shows the Chinese government is strictly controlling all research into its origins, clamping down on some while actively promoting fringe theories that it could have come from outside China.

The government is handing out hundreds of thousands of dollars in grants to scientists researching the virus’ origins in southern China and affiliated with the military, the AP has found. But it is monitoring their findings and mandating that the publication of any data or research must be approved by a new task force managed by China’s cabinet, under direct orders from President Xi Jinping, according to internal documents obtained by the AP. A rare leak from within the government, the dozens of pages of unpublished documents confirm what many have long suspected: The clampdown comes from the top.
https://apnews.com/article/united-natio ... f7a14d2955
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Pyrrho wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:06 pm https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... he/617531/
A more transmissible variant of COVID-19 is a potential catastrophe in and of itself. If anything, given the stage in the pandemic we are at, a more transmissible variant is in some ways much more dangerous than a more severe variant.
Not if you live in China, Taiwan, Thailand, New Zealand, Viet Nam etc etc
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Why is it the western "news" media, western politicians, and western governments can't simply do what other countries did to stop the spread?

The idiotic argument involving "freedom" is a joke, considering how many rights and freedoms have been fucked over by the failed response
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... e/2774266/

Evaluation of Cloth Masks and Modified Procedure Masks as Personal Protective Equipment for the Public During the COVID-19 Pandemic
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Excellent piece - thanks!
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Pyrrho wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:53 pm https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... e/2774266/

Evaluation of Cloth Masks and Modified Procedure Masks as Personal Protective Equipment for the Public During the COVID-19 Pandemic
There’s no discussion in the methods as to how they concluded that 3 minutes was an adequate amount of time. Any thoughts? I suppose I wouldn’t be with a COVID-19 Pt. without an N-95 or better for any length of time anyway.
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DJ wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:26 pm
Pyrrho wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:53 pm https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... e/2774266/

Evaluation of Cloth Masks and Modified Procedure Masks as Personal Protective Equipment for the Public During the COVID-19 Pandemic
There’s no discussion in the methods as to how they concluded that 3 minutes was an adequate amount of time. Any thoughts? I suppose I wouldn’t be with a COVID-19 Pt. without an N-95 or better for any length of time anyway.
I wouldn't know. Just tossed it in here for kicking around.
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Wisconsin pharmacist accused of trying to destroy Covid vaccine is 'conspiracy theorist,' authorities say

Police said Steven Brandenburg "told investigators that he believed that Covid-19 vaccine was not safe for people and could harm them and change their DNA."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wi ... s-n1252770

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Oh well. Education is not a prophylactic for ignorance.
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Aunt and Uncle are both in hospital, both have COVID-19, both have serious pre-existing conditions. Aunt has had a heart attack, blockage cleared.

I might call my Uncle tomorrow, apparently he has his phone and is talkative. A bit late in the evening right now I think.
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↑ Best wishes, Pyrrho. :|




A year after Wuhan, China locks down another city of 11 million people to contain a coronavirus flare-up

China has locked down a city of 11 million people in its northern province of Hebei, in an effort to contain the country's worst coronavirus flare-up in months.
Residents of Shijiazhuang, a provincial capital close to Beijing, have been barred from leaving the city, as major highways were blocked, train and bus stations closed and flights canceled.
The lockdown comes as a total of 117 Covid-19 infections -- including 67 asymptomatic cases -- were detected in Shijiazhuang on Wednesday. Nationwide, China reported 123 local infections for Wednesday, the highest since late October.
On Thursday, Shijiazhuang identified another 66 positive cases, according to the Hebei provincial health commission.
Since January 2, a total of 304 positive cases have been reported in Hebei -- most of which were in Shijiazhuang, official figures show. The city is located just 180 miles (289.6 kilometers) southwest of Beijing -- about three hours' drive away, or an hour on the high-speed rail.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/08/asia ... index.html