Climate Change/Global Warming Hysteria with graphs!

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:36 am

Surprise wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:24 pm If I just play dumb, then no one can ever prove anything to me.

That doesn't make sense. Usually humans playing dumb is for a reduction in social pressure or to avoid conflict. Your claim doesn't make any sense in that context.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:37 am

He's playing dumb, he doesn't actually mean what he said. I need to do some tweaking here.

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:37 am

This is one of those humor things?

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:38 am

No, he isn't trying to be funny. Though it can be viewed that way, if one was cynical and jaded.

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:38 am

Humans are so strange

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:38 am

Let's do some basic science and shit!

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:20 pm

Basic science is even more boring than looking at graphs

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:21 pm

I think I may have a solution for that, at long last

Surprise · Post by **Surprise** » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:57 am

Will the dog eat your homework again?

Global warming denier can't deny his own figures show global warming, including for the last 30 years.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:46 pm

We are approaching the point where we must face the unpleasant truth, that Government agencies, and the people who collect money from governments, they lie

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:49 pm

Nothing draws more unskeptical rage from skeptics than this matter

I know they are liars

I also know showing it won’t matter

For some reason, despite all the past lies, the deceptions, the blatant fraud Governments and their agents have inflicted on us for as long as history exists

“This time they are like totally right and honest”

gnome · Post by **gnome** » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:16 pm

You're welcome to provide competing information and explain why it is more reliable.

Is that your claim though, that the figures in that chart are literally falsified?

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:19 pm

I know it with out a doubt at this point

10 years ago it was still a question

Surprise · Post by **Surprise** » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:00 pm

robinson wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:49 pm Nothing draws more unskeptical rage from skeptics than this matter

I know they are liars

I also know showing it won’t matter

For some reason, despite all the past lies, the deceptions, the blatant fraud Governments and their agents have inflicted on us for as long as history exists

“This time they are like totally right and honest”

The graph is from Dr Roy Spencer, the scientist you quoted just a couple of posts before.

sparks · Post by **sparks** » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:55 pm

Pyrrho: Time to sequester robinson and robinson2 to his own little corner of the board much like pillory. Please make this nonsense stop.

Witness · Post by **Witness** » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:16 am

↑ Right. Putting him with pil would be cruel for pil.

That being said, that thread gave me the impression of wading through marshmallows. (Note the past tense.

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robinson · Post by **robinson** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:40 pm

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:45 pm

Thanks to ed (link) I can now focus on what really interest me, and this topic. Please support ed and the effort made, to continue to allow me to work.

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:48 am

That is not going to happen.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:52 pm

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:31 pm

Winter has shown up in summer, and doesn’t seem to be going away soon

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:31 pm

Time for some graphs and some science shit once more

Hmm

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:51 pm

I still haven't seen decent graph

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:49 am

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:09 am

Hotarubi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:51 pm I still haven't seen decent graph

Yes you have. The problem is you don't know enough to realize what you are looking at.

ed wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:13 pm Where are these stations? Whar are the surroundinds? Has there been building near them over the time period?

All the GHCN stations are supposed to be quality controlled. The conflict over this being true is a lot more than a single topic can handle.

robinson wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:25 pm ... experience has shown that when it comes to climate change/global warming

Facts rarely matter

I don't have to argue that point much. Just a few graphs is enough to watch for yourself how it happen. But before we start again with the 6 graphs I posted, the sources were also posted early on. So don't ask stupid questions.

robinson wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:59 pm
ed wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:45 pm The first question is wtf is this data? What does it purport to represent?
The source is wxshift.com for the “Getting hotter” graphs

The following post have links to the sources.

We have two different claims investigated, using Alabama as an example. (this is not about Alabama, it is about climate hysteria, graphs and how you can tell you are being bullshitted.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:15 am

This graph is used to "show you" how night time lows are going up. (global warming) Nighttime lows = Tmin (I already explained all of this of course)

Climate central is a propaganda site for global warming hysteria, and they have lots of these graphs. Here is one of them

That is called cherry picking, when you choose a short time period to try and fool people.

Tmin for Alabama is not going up.

Even the modified data from NOAA shows this easily.

source

This is a longer view of the data. And it just one of many reasons I don't buy the climate bullshit coming from multiple sources.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:25 am

I posted all this back in March 2020

Using Alabama as an example again

The alarm ringers claim summer highs are also going up, and use graphs like this to "show you"

Here is the same data from the NOAA interface

Daytime highs = Tmax

So they are selling that summers are warming, a lot, and fast.

But when you check the longer period, once again the fraud is evident

This is also modified data, the actual data is even more revealing.

Here's a graph showing how NOAA modified the data

I've got thousands and thousands of graphs, and can generate more in seconds.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:31 am

This is the old graph style

source

This is the newest version

noaa.png

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:41 am

wxshift

https://wxshift.com/climate-change/loca ... trend=mint

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:47 pm

See. Crap graphs.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:18 pm

I once fell into the trap of "you are wrong, post the data" in what seemed like a simple matter (climate/global warming related)

12 years later the one true contender (OTC) still insists I am wrong, even as everyone else slipped away and doesn't want to discuss it. It's so simply awful, at first I thought I was being punked.

Here's a simple version of how it goes.

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Me:The claim is X, but the data shows Y

OTC: You are wrong.

Here are two links to both sets of data

OTC:That doesn't show what you think it does

Obviously it does

OTC: No, you are comparing two different time periods.

No, you just use the period the data covers for both.

OTC:You are a festering stew of ignorance and lies

10 years later

I remember when OTC claimed I was wrong.

OTC:I never did.

Hahah. (quotes post from 10 years previous) "OTC: You are wrong."

OTC:That's not what I said. I said you were comparing apples to oranges.

No, and here is your post showing you are wrong about what you said.

OTC: ................

He never posted again.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:20 pm

But he still believes he is right, and the data doesn't show yadda yadda yadda

It's always exactly like that with true believers. You think facts and logic and reason are going to matter.

They will not

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:54 pm

For example:

NOAA and GISS and HADCRUT and BEST and RSS all show different data, and trends, for the same time period

Especially regional trends. If you can get individual stations to see the adjustments, you can see they all change the actual data, but in different ways. Then they change the region data, then they change the summed data, and these changes happen over time, so that the version in 1998 is different than 2009 which is different from 2019, and none of it matches with another agency.

There is also the "made up" data, to fill in the huge gaps in coverage, especially in the past, but still ongoing.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:55 pm

The sum of all the errors is then used in computer programs to "show you" things that simply don't actual exist, and can't even exist.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:06 am

In this regard global warming/climate change has become politics

Skeptics are not surprised by evidence that shows massive fraud and idiocy from the prophets of doom

True believers will not be swayed by anything

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:28 am

robinson wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:20 pm But he still believes he is right, and the data doesn't show...

Which is the correct position. Because your graphs are crap.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:36 am

Wasn’t “my graphs”, it’s all actual data, or “adjusted data” from NOAA, GISS, HADCRUT or Some other official source of data.

Just like this topic, none of the data is gathered or published by my humble self, but that doesn’t matter because politics, or just ignorance

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:37 am

That’s just one of the many tactics I encounter from deniers. They want to impeach the source, if the data doesn’t agree with their beliefs. Just like politics

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:20 am

Do you want me to make the graphs?

Hotarubi · Post by **Hotarubi** » Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:51 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:46 pm Making graphs, any graphs really, is the perfect task for a 'bot. Just feed in any old data, get a graph.

I hope it can come up with something a bit more substantial.