Putting the lid on Chernobyl

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Lead jock straps and vodka all around I'm buying.
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Let’s put a cover over the problem
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Congratulations

You put off the problem for a few decades more
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It’s not a containment

Just to keep the rain out
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Like every other complete meltdown/explosion

It will never be actually cleaned up
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Oh no, you got to keep the rain out for at least the next 10,000 years

There is no question of that




















I'm sure the new roof will last at least 40 years


maybe
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100 according to the producers of HBOs 'Chernobyl'.

Rain is an issue, can't have it seeping through the corium and then out into ground water. There is also the dust problem: Anything falling into what's left of the core will raise a dust cloud loaded with radioisotopes. Not good.
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sparks wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:47 pm There is also the dust problem: Anything falling into what's left of the core will raise a dust cloud loaded with radioisotopes. Not good.
The dust is all around.
Chernobyl Fires Drop Radioactive Ash, Send Air Quality Plummeting

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Smoke haze hangs over the Ukrainian capital of Kiev on April 17, 2020
Fires that burned near the Chernobyl nuclear power plant site in Ukraine for over a week were put out by firefighters and rain earlier this week, but a new report finds elevated levels of radiation in the area as well as the capitol city of Kiev.

The fires burned into the exclusion zone around the power plant that famously melted down in 1986, leading to the worst nuclear accident in history. The blazes burned right up to within a kilometer of the plant itself.

A report released Wednesday by the French Radioprotection and Nuclear Safety Institute (IRSN) shows that samples taken of the air in Kiev had elevated levels of radioactive cesium 137, which peaked around April 10 - 11. During this period the observed levels of the radioactive isotope were almost an order of magnitude higher than at the time the blaze was just getting going.

“These values are significantly higher than the values usually measured for cesium 137 in the air in Kiev and show evidence of the passage of contaminated air masses,” the report reads. “However, they remain moderate and have no health consequences.”

The smoke itself may have health consequences of its own, however. Air quality in Kiev registered as the worst in the world this week thanks to winds carrying the smoke into the city.
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You know why they built it far away and then slide it in place?

Because it’s still too radioactive to do anything close to it
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I was kidding about it just being for rain

It’s also to try and reduce the radioactive material from getting out

And someday (haha haha) will be used to decommission the site

HAHAHAHAHAHA!








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There is a little tiny reactor in England that melted down, and it hasn’t been cleaned up yet

It happened in 1957

If you think any of the big fucking disasters ever be “safe”, you would be wrong
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Bullshit. They will. In about 100,000 years. :) IOW, no humans will be around to see it. We will have fucked ourselves in some other way long before then.
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Maybe. But spent nuclear fuel is a guaranteed disaster
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Agreed.
Doesn't have to be this way, but this is the short sighted greedy fucking reality we live in.
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sparks wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:47 pm 100 according to the producers of HBOs 'Chernobyl'.

Rain is an issue, can't have it seeping through the corium and then out into ground water. There is also the dust problem: Anything falling into what's left of the core will raise a dust cloud loaded with radioisotopes. Not good.
Saw the documentary. The roof/ceiling of the original structure is falling apart, when bits of debris fall onto the mess on the floor you get dust clouds as well as the rain issue.

Final thought of the doc was that they will keep having to build bigger and bigger structures over the next 10000 years to "house" the reactor.
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Hotarubi wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:25 am
sparks wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:47 pm 100 according to the producers of HBOs 'Chernobyl'.

Rain is an issue, can't have it seeping through the corium and then out into ground water. There is also the dust problem: Anything falling into what's left of the core will raise a dust cloud loaded with radioisotopes. Not good.
Saw the documentary. The roof/ceiling of the original structure is falling apart, when bits of debris fall onto the mess on the floor you get dust clouds as well as the rain issue.

Final thought of the doc was that they will keep having to build bigger and bigger structures over the next 10000 years to "house" the reactor.
Oddly that makes me think of the SCP's Potato Dimension.

Short version:
Spoiler:
a sack of potatoes which leads to an alternate Earth where potatoes Von-Neumanned themselves into overwhelming the planet. Explorers find themselves inside a huge structure obviously intended to try to contain the potatocalypse.
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The gift that keeps on giving! :) Because graphite!
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Radioactive graphite is the big problem from the 1957 fire and meltdown in England
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Well, that's to be expected when you moderate with graphite. It's a damned shitty choice.

"Because it's cheaper!"
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sparks wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 5:16 am"Because it's cheaper!"
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In 63 years nobody has figured out how to deal with radioactive graphite
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Ukraine seeks World Heritage status for Chernobyl zone

More than three decades after the Chernobyl nuclear disaster forced thousands to evacuate, there is an influx of visitors to the area that has spurred officials to seek official status from UNESCO.

"The Chernobyl zone is already a world famous landmark," guide Maksym Polivko told AFP during a tour on a recent frosty day.

"But today this area has no official status," the 38-year-old said of the exclusion zone where flourishing wildlife is taking over deserted Soviet-era tower blocks, shops and official buildings.

That could be set to change under the government initiative to have the area included on the UNESCO heritage list alongside landmarks like India's Taj Mahal or Stonehenge in England.
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robinson wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 6:41 am In 63 years nobody has figured out how to deal with radioactive graphite
From what I can tell, just don't in the first place.