Other music

Drama queens must check their tiaras at the door.
Anaxagoras
Posts: 29547
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am
Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan

Re: Other music

Post by Anaxagoras »

Doctor X
Posts: 74814
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Other music

Post by Doctor X »



Now, if you prefer the Japanese Original:



– J.D.
asthmatic camel
Posts: 20041
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:53 pm
Title: Forum commie nun.
Location: Stirring the porridge with my spurtle.

Re: Other music

Post by asthmatic camel »

Seeing as we're all spending a few weeks in the box, here's one of my all-time favourite albums from Tangerine Dream...

asthmatic camel
Posts: 20041
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:53 pm
Title: Forum commie nun.
Location: Stirring the porridge with my spurtle.

Re: Other music

Post by asthmatic camel »

Another favourite for the Psi-rockers...

Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:30 am Bach on an 8-string guitar?
Nothing to do with the guitar nor the technical abilities of the player, but he drags Bach, kicking and screaming, into the Romantic period. It hurts.

Contrast with this, just the way to play the ornaments, vary the rhythm, &c.

Doctor X
Posts: 74814
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Other music

Post by Doctor X »



– J. "Get the Fuck in the Mecha and Stop Groping Your Mom!" D.
asthmatic camel
Posts: 20041
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:53 pm
Title: Forum commie nun.
Location: Stirring the porridge with my spurtle.

Re: Other music

Post by asthmatic camel »

Seems apt.

asthmatic camel
Posts: 20041
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:53 pm
Title: Forum commie nun.
Location: Stirring the porridge with my spurtle.

Re: Other music

Post by asthmatic camel »

And this...

asthmatic camel
Posts: 20041
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:53 pm
Title: Forum commie nun.
Location: Stirring the porridge with my spurtle.

Re: Other music

Post by asthmatic camel »

asthmatic camel
Posts: 20041
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:53 pm
Title: Forum commie nun.
Location: Stirring the porridge with my spurtle.

Re: Other music

Post by asthmatic camel »

Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:27 pm Bach wrote quite a bit of music for guitar.
Not one piece. Note that I'd be delighted to be proven wrong. :)
"Wrote … for guitar" that's not "there exist transcriptions for guitar".
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:27 pm It's a very old instrument.
Undoubtedly, but the Renaissance & Baroque guitars are very different beasts form the modern "Spanish" one.
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:27 pm Very likely some of this was written for the lute
Even this is at least dubious nowadays. There seems to be a consensus that Bach's "lute" pieces were in fact for the Lautenwerck, a keyboard instrument, kind of clavicembalo with gut strings. Bach owned three of these.
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:27 pm but it sounds good on guitar.
Not always. My gripe was that one doesn't play baroque with romantic mannerisms.

I could provide documentation & examples, but don't want to bore the gentle audience.


Here's a baroque guitar:

Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:28 am Show off. :P
Happens to be one of my centers of interest – in case you haven't already noticed. :mrgreen:
Rob Lister
Posts: 23535
Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm
Title: Incipient toppler
Location: Swimming in Lake Ed

Re: Other music

Post by Rob Lister »

robinson
Posts: 16288
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:01 am
Title: Sardonic asshole
Location: USA

Re: Other music

Post by robinson »

There are entire series on YT where hip cool young music dudes listen to old (but great) musical pieces, and react to them

Same with young kids



An old fart like us will find them enjoyable

Example below

robinson
Posts: 16288
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:01 am
Title: Sardonic asshole
Location: USA

Re: Other music

Post by robinson »

Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:08 pm Authenticity is overrated.
Alternative interpretation: some people just don't care, or even don't perceive, more or less subtle differences. Extreme example: one of my friends was completely tone deaf and never listened to music.
But I'm quite sure you have your own centers of interest where even small differences matter. :)
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:08 pm I bet you're not too cool to enjoy this selection. :)
Of course not. I met Hoppy Smith some decades ago, great musician. Here he plays the baroque guitar:

Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

As I mentioned the Lautenwerk:




Comparison point, early Glenn Gould:

Hotarubi
Posts: 4099
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:12 am
Title: Enchantress
Location: This septic Isle.

Re: Other music

Post by Hotarubi »

Doctor X wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:57 pm

Now, if you prefer the Japanese Original:



– J.D.
If I was that dude I'd be embarrassed to leave that video up.
Anaxagoras
Posts: 29547
Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am
Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan

Re: Other music

Post by Anaxagoras »



It has a kinda rustic charm. You can hear farm animals in the background, and there seems to be a cat perched on a log behind him.
Rob Lister
Posts: 23535
Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm
Title: Incipient toppler
Location: Swimming in Lake Ed

Re: Other music

Post by Rob Lister »

what is that 7-string machine?
ed
Posts: 41285
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Other music

Post by ed »

robinson wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:01 pm
Well, how can you not love Tull? I'm sure there are people who are "above" anything that is that good (you know who you are, Abdul).
But the guy's face at 6:30 when Ian starts with the flute is priceless? He's like WTF???!!!?!
Berlin Addressbook 001.JPG
Thanks for that.
ed
Posts: 41285
Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:52 pm
Title: G_D

Re: Other music

Post by ed »

Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:42 pm I'm guessing Witness will appreciate ...

Looks like a member of the Gay Men's Health Alliance Marching Band
^^^^^^^^^^ That's funny stuff right there^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

Rob Lister wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:35 pm what is that 7-string machine?
A saz (or bağlama), played from the Balkans to Iraq and Syria, but typically Turkish. One of the vast family of long-necked lutes.

https://i.imgur.com/XvDy9cw.jpg

As popular as the guitar and used in all forms of music, classical Ottoman, folk and even (electrified) by rock bands.
Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

Anaxagoras wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:22 pm It has a kinda rustic charm. You can hear farm animals in the background, and there seems to be a cat perched on a log behind him.
Very cool, thanks Anax.

I've never heard the saz played that way, nor in such a Western-sounding scale.

Most of the time it sounds like this:




Or this:




Or tuis:

Doctor X
Posts: 74814
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Other music

Post by Doctor X »



– J.D.
Hotarubi
Posts: 4099
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:12 am
Title: Enchantress
Location: This septic Isle.

Re: Other music

Post by Hotarubi »

Doctor X wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:03 am

– J.D.
Tremendous elevated clefs.
Doctor X
Posts: 74814
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Other music

Post by Doctor X »

She is certainly not flat.

– J.D.
Hotarubi
Posts: 4099
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:12 am
Title: Enchantress
Location: This septic Isle.

Re: Other music

Post by Hotarubi »

Doctor X wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:36 am She is certainly not flat.

– J.D.
I wonder if she'll give us a taste of Debussy.
Doctor X
Posts: 74814
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Other music

Post by Doctor X »

I think I have posted some of her professional jazz concerts.



and she just posted:



"Yet . . . I am Poor!"

– J.D.
Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

Western version:



I just hope she doesn't fall from her stool. :mrgreen:
Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

↑ An impressive musical piece. I had completely forgotten about it but rediscovered it idly thumbing through my CD collection. :)



Now for something wildly different (Central Asian blues?):

Rob Lister
Posts: 23535
Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm
Title: Incipient toppler
Location: Swimming in Lake Ed

Re: Other music

Post by Rob Lister »

That was amazing.
Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »



:mrgreen:
Doctor X
Posts: 74814
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm
Title: Collective Messiah
Location: Your Mom

Re: Other music

Post by Doctor X »

. . . because . . . I am a RIVER:



その青い目が怖いだよ!

– J.D.
Hotarubi
Posts: 4099
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:12 am
Title: Enchantress
Location: This septic Isle.

Re: Other music

Post by Hotarubi »

Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

↑ I prefer the Japanese Bulgarian original, e. g.:



And they're not afraid from a little dissonance here or there. :mrgreen:
Hotarubi
Posts: 4099
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:12 am
Title: Enchantress
Location: This septic Isle.

Re: Other music

Post by Hotarubi »

Witness wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 10:00 pm ↑ I prefer the Japanese Bulgarian original, e. g.:



And they're not afraid from a little dissonance here or there. :mrgreen:
I've got that knocking around somewhere. Not sure if DcD used that as inspiration or not. Certainly Brendan and Lisa were tinkering with similar choral harmonies some years before Ivo discovered and re-released Le Mystère des Voix Bulgares and Lisa herself says she was doing that schtick since she was 13. Who knows.

Funny you should mention Japanese originals - as Kenji Kawaii used Bulgarian harmonies for part of the GitS soundtrack. I've got that knocking around somewhere too.

All have their seperate merits. All are astonishing.
Witness
Posts: 35689
Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm

Re: Other music

Post by Witness »

Hotarubi wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 10:57 pm Funny you should mention Japanese originals
I have no merit, it's a trope on this forum. :oops:
Hotarubi
Posts: 4099
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:12 am
Title: Enchantress
Location: This septic Isle.

Re: Other music

Post by Hotarubi »

Witness wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 11:12 pm
Hotarubi wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 10:57 pm Funny you should mention Japanese originals
I have no merit, it's a trope on this forum. :oops:
Oddly, it's not far off having merit in this instance. Both DcD and Voix Bulgares were on the same record label at around the same time. Its unlikely, but not impossible.
mrgreen: