The Cutter "incident"

[robinson]

In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

[robinson]

The year 2005 marked the fiftieth anniversary of the development of the first poliovirus vaccine. At the end of the same year, it was reported that children in a secluded Amish village in the United States had contracted vaccine-derived polio1. Now, over 70 children in Nigeria have also reportedly contracted the disease2.

Although polio eradication remains an achievable goal, these vaccine-related cases are a strong wake-up call that needs to be taken seriously by the world community at large and the developed world in particular

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https://www.nature.com/articles/nm0108-9

[Pyrrho]

Very sad indeed. All treatments involve a balance between benefit versus risk, which is why thorough review of clinical trials and postmarketing data are extremely important.

[robinson]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-most-d ... ccine/#app

[xouper]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-most-d ... ccine/#app

Quoting from that 2002 article:

. . . And the smallpox vaccine is deadly, too. Scientists call it the most dangerous vaccine known to man.

. . . "We know if we immunize a million people, that there will be 15 people that will suffer severe, permanent adverse outcomes and one person who may die from the vaccine," says Dr. Paul Offit . . .

The "most dangerous vaccine" killed one in a million?

Covid vaccine says, "Hold my beer."

[robinson]

Infection from the smallpox vaccine was a big problem when it was used, but the Big Brother assurance was the same as the current one regarding the experimental therapy (mRNA virus)

The big difference was nobody tried to blame the victim when they died from the smallpox vaccine

[Pyrrho]

CDC posted this yesterday:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... vents.html

More than 380 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,653 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

If I did the math correctly, that is 20 deaths per million. There are 3 COVID-19 vaccines currently being administered in the United States of America: Janssen, Pfizer/Biontech, and Moderna. The Janssen vaccine is associated with reports of blood clot formation--which is also a possible symptom of COVID-19. The Janssen vaccine uses an altered virus. The other two are the mRNA vaccines. I couldn't find the name of "unknown manufacturer".

The VAERS database lists the number of death reports associated with the vaccines:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

https://i.imgur.com/UgAsdvY.jpg

I couldn't find data about how many doses of each vaccine have been administered but I think the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are the most widely administered. Using the VAERS site has two methods, one to deliver a table like the above, and another to download a CSV of the retrieved data for those who like to run their own analyses.

COVID-19 in the United States of America currently shows a death rate of 201.6 per 100,000 COVID-19 cases. According to this page at Johns Hopkins, the USA has had 40,955,201 confirmed COVID-19 cases with 659,970 deaths, 1.6% of cases.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Again, it is a benefit:risk situation. ~380 million vaccinations with 7,653 reported deaths versus ~41 million COVID-19 cases with ~659,970 deaths, or 0.0020% versus 1.6%.

Always consult your physician regarding medical decisions, including vaccinations, or, for that matter, ivermectin.

[robinson]

To make it easy to understand, one death for every 50,000

Which is interesting


The risk of death for being injected with polio, not the vaccine, live polio, is one in 20,000

[xouper]

CDC posted this yesterday:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... vents.html

More than 380 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,653 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

If I did the math correctly, that is 20 deaths per million.

Almost. Your calculator did the calculation correctly, but there is a different problem: 380 million doses does not mean that's how many people got the vaccine.

Also, many experts say the VAERS system is most likely an under-reporting.

As for the 660,000 deaths from covid, that too is in dispute by many experts. It could easily be only one tenth of that according to some experts.

I guess it depends on which experts one chooses to believe.

The CDC (and Dr Fauci) has certainly lost a huge amount credibility on this issue. That doesn't mean they are always wrong. It just means that when the CDC gets caught engaging shenanigans (like implying that 380 million Americans got the jab), it raises questions about their other numbers.

So, I don't know what the reality is. The best I can do is choose which experts to believe.

[robinson]

US fully vaccinate (now) 180M

[robinson]

I knew Covid would show up in the topic, because, you know, everything is fucking covid now.

More polio cases now caused by vaccine than by wild virus
https://apnews.com/article/health-unite ... f27729f6a5

A vaccine-derived poliovirus (VDPV) is a strain of the weakened poliovirus that was initially included in oral polio vaccine (OPV) and that has changed over time and behaves more like the wild or naturally occurring virus. This means it can be spread more easily to people who are unvaccinated against polio and who come in contact with the stool or respiratory secretions, such as from a sneeze, of an infected person. These viruses may cause illness, including paralysis.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/ ... s-faq.html

Moreover, the introduction of diphtheria/tetanus/pertussis (DTP) vaccine without adequately protecting infants from circulating wild polioviruses increased the risk of provocation poliomyelitis, a phenomenon in which an injection given to a child with silent poliovirus infection can trigger paralysis in the injected limb. Massive outbreaks of provocation poliomyelitis occurred.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9599049/

NEW DELHI: At least 400 children in India would have developed polio after receiving the oral polio vaccine (OPV) over the past five years, a top Indian paediatrician has revealed in a just published scientific paper that questions the ethics of the continued use of OPV.

T Jacob John, who has earlier advised the World Health Organisation and the Indian government on polio eradication policies, has described the continued use of OPV as an “ethical anomaly” that is causing avoidable polio to children.

India has been free from wild polio virus since 2011, but the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare has never released data on vaccine associated polio paralysis (VAPP), a rare adverse effect of OPV that causes infantile paralysis.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... 51670.html

[xouper]

I knew Covid would show up in the topic, because, you know, everything is fucking covid now.

Yeah, that was my fault. Sorry. I don't know why it caught my attention when I read "world's most dangerous vaccine". I shoulda just let it slide instead of running my mouth.

[robinson]

It should say "worlds most dangerous vaccine except for the polio vaccine that one time"

[robinson]

And that other time

[robinson]

And right now

[robinson]

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/ ... 74434?s=21


Well, except for the polio vaccine


And smallpox


Both of which killed a lot of children


But it was for the greater good!

[robinson]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/conce ... story.html