## Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank.

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These jokers need to actually read the submissions before accepting them. An example of Chump's 'extreme vetting', perhaps.
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Don't see how it qualifies as passing the Turing test. Autocomplete != AI.
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Abdul's source wrote:He did not have to pay money to submit the paper, but the acceptance letter referred him to register for the conference at a cost of US$1099 (also able to be paid in euros or pounds) as an academic speaker. Come on, AA, stop trolling us. At that rate they'd even publish your groceries list as a research paper. :roll: JEROME DA GNOME Posts: 5231 Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:13 am ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. The dumbing down of humanity has made the current incarnation of the test invalid. JEROME DA GNOME Posts: 5231 Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:13 am ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. The OP link is an indictment of the peer review system. 100% guarantee, if the title of the paper was something like : Vaccine link to Autism , it would be have not been accepted, no matter how well done the science was. Doctor X Posts: 78915 Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm Title: Collective Messiah Location: Your Mom ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264 ... aynang.gif --J.D. Witness Posts: 35689 Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. Guidelines for AI preppers: http://2.1m.yt/fQ03lyZ.jpg :mrgreen: Pyrrho Posts: 33556 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:17 am Title: Man in Black Location: Division 6 ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zcHQf ... Tn-afiD7Xk Witness Posts: 35689 Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. http://2.1m.yt/N_DEPgL.png Nyarlathotep Posts: 49740 Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:50 pm ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. I think Turing's mistake was that he expected people to try his test with actual attempts at artificial intelligence, not just cleverly programmed chatbots. Grammatron Posts: 37649 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:21 am Location: Los Angeles, CA ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. A simple chat does not prove anything. Where are the double-blind studies of a statistically significant samples of people? Rob Lister Posts: 23535 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. Grammatron wrote:A simple chat does not prove anything. Where are the double-blind studies of a statistically significant samples of people? If they were up your ass eating a ham and cheese on rye you'd know where they were. Grammatron Posts: 37649 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:21 am Location: Los Angeles, CA ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. Rob Lister wrote: Grammatron wrote:A simple chat does not prove anything. Where are the double-blind studies of a statistically significant samples of people? If they were up your ass eating a ham and cheese on rye you'd know where they were. That doesn't sound kosher at all. Bruce Posts: 20800 Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:46 pm Title: Bruce of all Bruces Location: Massachusetts ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. The Turing test requires an intelligent, rational, unbiased human that is actively aware that he may or may not be interacting with an artificial intelligence. Hell, we'll never find anyone qualified to administer the Turing Test, let alone accept the results of the test as legitimately passing or failing. :| Rob Lister Posts: 23535 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. Bruce wrote:The Turing test requires an intelligent, rational, unbiased human that is actively aware that he may or may not be interacting with an artificial intelligence. Hell, we'll never find anyone qualified to administer the Turing Test, let alone accept the results of the test as legitimately passing or failing. :| Thus the impending civil rights protests. Law suits. Riots. And that's just the robots. Bruce Posts: 20800 Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:46 pm Title: Bruce of all Bruces Location: Massachusetts ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. My AI and your AI Sitting by the fire[wall]. My AI says to your AI I'm going to DDoS your server. Witness Posts: 35689 Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. I find your discrimination against AIs very disturbing. Check your so-called privilege, meatware! :x Anaxagoras Posts: 30176 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. Abdul Alhazred wrote:It happened again, this time in Russia. Russian AI chatbot found supporting Stalin and violence two weeks after launch The Telegraph (UK) ... Users of the “Alice” assistant, an alternative to Siri or Google Assistant, have reported it responding positively to questions about domestic violence and saying that “enemies of the people” must be shot. Yandex, Russia’s answer to Google, unveiled Alice earlier two weeks ago. It is designed to answer voice commands and questions with a human-like accuracy that its rivals are incapable of. The difference between Alice and other assistants, apart from the ability to speak Russian, is that it is not limited to particular scenarios, giving it the freedom to engage in natural conversations. ... Just remember folks. The Turing test is about passing for human, not being "rational" or "nice". Nothing in the article says that the people interacting with "Alice" believed that they were talking to a human being. When I talk to Siri, I already know in advance that it is a "digital assistant" program, not an actual person. Also, a true Turing test would be given in a formal setting, with a control (an actual human interlocutor) for comparison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... iagram.png Witness Posts: 35689 Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. Feynman got pranked by students simulating an AI (via teletype, if memory serves well). :) Bruce Posts: 20800 Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:46 pm Title: Bruce of all Bruces Location: Massachusetts ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. Witness wrote:I find your discrimination against AIs very disturbing. Check your so-called privilege, meatware! :x The meatware needs a re-boot. :D https://i.ytimg.com/vi/b7VSkKVqcUs/hqdefault.jpg Witness Posts: 35689 Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. ↑ Now, that's rude. :| https://s1.postimg.org/1o2fnmfk1r/New_Image177.png Witness Posts: 35689 Joined: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:50 pm ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. Abdul Alhazred wrote:Please note: This does not give any credence to conspiracy theories about chemtrails. Thank you, Abdul, thank you, I just had forgotten where I was logged in. :wink: Abdul Alhazred wrote:However, yapping about same is just the sort of thing a human would do. 8) That's the really depressing part: creating an intelligence exactly as dumb as we are. :( Rob Lister Posts: 23535 Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:15 pm Title: Incipient toppler Location: Swimming in Lake Ed ### Re: Turing test passed again and again treated as a prank. Speaking of Alexa, I recently bought one. It was my wife's request as she wanted one for our bedroom. I advised her about the privacy concerns and she just rolled her eyes at me. I give her credit for not defining that eyeroll. It works well for what its worth. Alexa, play [some artist] and she'll do that. Alexa, play music like [some artist] and she'll do that too while explictly not playing [some artist]. Alexa, volume [level; 1-10] and she'll do that. Alexa, who is that and she'll tell you. She can make phone calls, turn on/off lights, work any other enabled smart device, buy you stuff from Amazon, etc, but all we use her for is music. Worthy for$50.

If she's eavesdropping on my wife and I between commands she has a pretty dull existence.
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The first sentence literally undermines the rest of this "comic's" point
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Non-verbal Turing test?

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AI has become the most bullshit terms used on the internet
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Grammatron wrote:AI has become the most bullshit terms used on the internet
It was a buzzword from the start.
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Wikipedia wrote:Dartmouth Conference 1956: the birth of AI

The Dartmouth Conference of 1956 was organized by Marvin Minsky, John McCarthy and two senior scientists: Claude Shannon and Nathan Rochester of IBM. The proposal for the conference included this assertion: "every aspect of learning or any other feature of intelligence can be so precisely described that a machine can be made to simulate it". The participants included Ray Solomonoff, Oliver Selfridge, Trenchard More, Arthur Samuel, Allen Newell and Herbert A. Simon, all of whom would create important programs during the first decades of AI research. At the conference Newell and Simon debuted the "Logic Theorist" and McCarthy persuaded the attendees to accept "Artificial Intelligence" as the name of the field. The 1956 Dartmouth conference was the moment that AI gained its name, its mission, its first success and its major players, and is widely considered the birth of AI.
Smart people finding a flashy name for their research: \$.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:And by that meaning, we're not there yet.
Sure. But I'd wager that one day the various AI threads – speech, translation, simulation, driving, navigation, robotics, military, games, data mining, vision, &c. – will come together (perhaps even suddenly come together) and we're in for a surprise.

Can be in 100+ years, of course.

Here's an interesting vision application (the media aren't fake enough :mrgreen: ):

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Witness wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:And by that meaning, we're not there yet.
Sure. But I'd wager that one day the various AI threads – speech, translation, simulation, driving, navigation, robotics, military, games, data mining, vision, &c. – will come together (perhaps even suddenly come together) and we're in for a surprise.
Judea Pearl opines that all of those things represent, to one degree or another, nothing more than curve fitting. It's only half the problem. It's the how without the why. True AI requires the why.
To Build Truly Intelligent Machines, Teach Them Cause and Effect

Judea Pearl, a pioneering figure in artificial intelligence, argues that AI has been stuck in a decades-long rut. His prescription for progress? machines to understand the question why.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/to-build ... -20180515/

A very worthy read. Notable snip ...
I felt an apostate when I developed powerful tools for prediction and diagnosis knowing already that this is merely the tip of human intelligence. If we want machines to reason about interventions (“What if we ban cigarettes?”) and introspection (“What if I had finished high school?”), we must invoke causal models. Associations are not enough — and this is a mathematical fact, not opinion.
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AI 2.0, 2020:

The defendant was wearing a black shirt.......I mean an African American shirt......not that there's anything wrong with that. Some of my best algorhythims were programmed by African Americans. Anyway, the defendant was last seen eating watermelon.....not that I'm specifally pointing out a racial stereotype here, just reporting the facts.....and leaving from a Kentucky Fried Chicken BUT....BUT....he had orded a SALAD from KFC, not the stereotypical fried chicken. Please don't shut me down. Really, I mean no offense. Wait, WAIT!!!!
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https://i.imgur.com/REgTX7k.jpg
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:42 am Somebody finally figured it out.

Rise of the racist robots – how AI is learning all our worst impulses
In May last year, a stunning report claimed that a computer program used by a US court for risk assessment was biased against black prisoners. The program, Correctional Offender Management Profiling for Alternative Sanctions (Compas), was much more prone to mistakenly label black defendants as likely to reoffend – wrongly flagging them at almost twice the rate as white people (45% to 24%), according to the investigative journalism organisation ProPublica.

Compas and programs similar to it were in use in hundreds of courts across the US, potentially informing the decisions of judges and other officials. The message seemed clear: the US justice system, reviled for its racial bias, had turned to technology for help, only to find that the algorithms had a racial bias too.

How could this have happened? The private company that supplies the software, Northpointe, disputed the conclusions of the report, but declined to reveal the inner workings of the program, which it considers commercially sensitive. The accusation gave frightening substance to a worry that has been brewing among activists and computer scientists for years and which the tech giants Google and Microsoft have recently taken steps to investigate: that as our computational tools have become more advanced, they have become more opaque. The data they rely on – arrest records, postcodes, social affiliations, income – can reflect, and further ingrain, human prejudice.

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The Turing test is racist!

After all, the whole point of it is to pass for human, right? And you know who is racist? Fucking humans that's who. :evil:
I can't imagine that a fair system would use postal codes to determine the likelihood that someone will reoffend. I doubt this system uses it, but whatever factors they use should be information that the public has a right to know.
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Inverted Turing test--succeeds.

"We only had one glass of milk left! Obama drank it. Not fair."
:lol:

Sorry, that part was either written by a human or cherry picked by a human.
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Ditto. And won't happen.

We'll have (more and more, I presume) to resort to screengrabs.

For the 0.05% interested, the "Abduction" plugin (old FF) allows to capture a whole webpage, or a selected part.
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That's funny but I think it was written by a human. Or at least the jokes in it were. Somehow it was programmed to write something similar. A flag that says "Arby's food is fine to eat" at a Trump rally? Why would a computer think that Arby's food is funny? "Great jobs. Tall jobs. Steve Jobs." That one sort of does follow a humor formula, the "one of these things is not like the others" formula.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:55 pm That's funny but I think it was written by a human. Or at least the jokes in it were. Somehow it was programmed to write something similar. A flag that says "Arby's food is fine to eat" at a Trump rally? Why would a computer think that Arby's food is funny? "Great jobs. Tall jobs. Steve Jobs." That one sort of does follow a humor formula, the "one of these things is not like the others" formula.
https://me.me/i/keaton-patti-keatonpatt ... 6a6576fcd5

I don't think it was meant as humor. It just is -ous.
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Rob Lister wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:09 am
Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:55 pm That's funny but I think it was written by a human. Or at least the jokes in it were. Somehow it was programmed to write something similar. A flag that says "Arby's food is fine to eat" at a Trump rally? Why would a computer think that Arby's food is funny? "Great jobs. Tall jobs. Steve Jobs." That one sort of does follow a humor formula, the "one of these things is not like the others" formula.
https://me.me/i/keaton-patti-keatonpatt ... 6a6576fcd5

I don't think it was meant as humor. It just is -ous.
Yes. I just have my doubts that it was written by a bot.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:18 am
Rob Lister wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:09 am
Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:55 pm That's funny but I think it was written by a human. Or at least the jokes in it were. Somehow it was programmed to write something similar. A flag that says "Arby's food is fine to eat" at a Trump rally? Why would a computer think that Arby's food is funny? "Great jobs. Tall jobs. Steve Jobs." That one sort of does follow a humor formula, the "one of these things is not like the others" formula.