Fukushima one year on

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Anaxagoras wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:42 am Oh yeah, today is 8 years since the tsunami.
Yep.

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So, what's the death toll so far?
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Fackler, reporting for the Times, wrote that “Japan’s political leaders at first did not know about the [SPEEDI] system and later played down the data, apparently fearful of having to significantly enlarge the evacuation zone—and acknowledge the accident’s severity.” Whatever the motives, the withholding of data, critics say, put unsuspecting citizens into harm’s way, and the result was a further erosion of public trust.

There were other, similarly fateful decisions. Brumfiel noted the rush by some affected prefectures, in the days following the disaster, to pronounce their local rice and fish safe to eat—and subsequent findings of contamination in those same foodstuffs. Even more damaging, he said, was the government’s unexplained—and seemingly arbitrary—raising of safe radiation-exposure levels for schoolchildren, from 1 millisievert to 20 millisieverts per year (see Page 20).
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So what's the death toll so far?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima ... casualties

573.

Patience Listy, patience.
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your link sez 0. But I think there is 1

But 573 is certainly acceptable. That's like 2 737 crashes.
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My mistake.

Now piss off. :)
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MULTIPLE REACTOR EXPLOSIONS, MELTDOWNS AT FUEL POOL
Multiple vapor and hydrogen explosions and a loss of cooling functions at the six reactors at Tokyo Electric Power Co’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant lead to radiation leaks and reactor failures.

Thousands of spent fuel rods, crammed into cooling pools at the plant, melt and mix with concrete, then fall to the lower level of the buildings.

CHAIN OF EVENTS
In a possible domino effect, a hydrogen explosion at one reactor forces workers to evacuate due to high levels of radiation, halting cooling operations at all reactors and spent fuel pools. Reactors and cooling pools suffer serious damage and radiation leaks.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japa ... 9120120217
The brutal reality of the situation in March 2011 was that it was no longer a question of managing a crisis, applying established procedures or rolling out plan A or plan B. Day after agonising day, the Fukushima Daiichi power plant was an island, plunged into darkness, without electricity or emergency diesel generators, and almost completely devoid of resources.

Largely left to their own devices, Yoshida and the plant's staff risked their lives at every moment. Wearing stiflingly hot protective wear and buffeted by aftershocks, they searched for slightest sound or visual clue in the absence of measurement data. Groping around the labyrinth of the ruined plant, they sought, more or less with success, to protect themselves from radioactive contamination in order to continue their work.

During the hearings, Yoshida confided his fears, doubts and beliefs. He lauded the commitment of his colleagues inside the plant, even as he deplored the absence or incompetence of those outside – Tepco headquarters, the government, the regulatory authority, and so on.

The emotional intensity of his account is both striking and moving. It shatters the all-too-bureaucratic certitudes that underestimate the complexities of situations, to the point of ignoring our humanity: the workers were facing the possibility of their own deaths and, above all, the deaths of their colleagues, their families and everything dear to them.

Almost miraculously, after four days of desperate efforts, the worst – the explosion of the Daiichi reactors, which could have set off those at the close-by Daini and Onagawa plants as well – was narrowly avoided. Yet we have learnt almost nothing from this catastrophe, and the much larger one that was averted.]/quote]
https://phys.org/news/2018-03-fukushima ... e.html#jCp
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March 16, 20117:43 PM ET
Britain's The Telegraph has obtained new leaked cables from WikiLeaks that reveal the International Atomic Agency warned Japan in 2008 that their nuclear plants were ill-prepared to handle a major earthquake.

They told Japan that their plants were "out of date" and would cause "serious problems" if faced with a strong earthquake.
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It was that really great idea of putting the backup power generators in the basement so's the tidal wave could more easily drown them. :)
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But if they put them on the top of the building, they would have fallen over and Japan could have capsized.

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True that. Center of gravity and all that.
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Somehow on my Twitter feed all kinds of Fukushima related shit just showed up today. Serious whistleblower, scientific expert warnings and shit like that. It was a bit disturbing, so I did what all good sheeple do. I just ignored it and asked aloud, "How many died?", and then forgot all about it.
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So what was the answer? Was it 1?
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0.

It is what happens on Twat'er from time to time. Old news resurfaces as new ... news.

However, one of the plant cleanup workers dropped dead about a week ago from a heart attack. No connection to radiation exposure has been established so, as you were.
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Radioactive cars.
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Weeeeeeeeell Shoot! See? Now no one will be able to drive those for 10,000 years!!!



Wait.
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Unclear debris map casts shadow over decommissioning of Fukushima plant

TOKYO -- The government and Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) are set to launch full-scale probes of the inside of the No. 1 through No. 3 reactors at the disaster-stricken Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station this fiscal year, in an attempt to determine which reactor to work on first to remove fuel debris -- a critical step for decommissioning the facility.

However, the interior of the No. 2 reactor, which is most likely to be the first to go through the debris removal process, has turned out to be different from what had originally been expected, underscoring the difficulties entailing the removal work. Since many companies are involved in the process, how to pass down the know-how acquired over the course of the more than 30 year-decommissioning process also poses a challenge.

"At present, it is difficult to clearly say we are going to remove all fuel debris," said Akira Ono, who leads the decommissioning project, at a regular press conference by TEPCO on March 28, while noting that the utility will not back down from its ultimate goal of full debris removal.
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20 ... na/021000c
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Nobody, not the Japanese, or the Americans, nor the Chinese will ever solve the problem. Not on your lifetime, and not in your grandkids lifetimes.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... gy-source/

Nobody has solved the "easy" problem, what to do with the relatively safe spent fuel rods. And all the worlds nuclear powers have had 70 years to do so. Melted fuel mixed with debris at the bottom of a disaster, and just one reactor with no ruined containment building, is also a problem not solved.

Multiple reactors and buildings? Maybe in a hundred years some progress will be made. But nobody alive will ever see it.

It's exactly the much feared scenario that caused the US to fail in building any more reactors, the very real possibility that just one reactor would fail, and in the worst possible way. After 30 years the other disaster is still not even close to being "fixed", and this is a melted reactor with fuel that can be observed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl ... is_removal

Of course the nuclear moonbats don't give a fuck, because reality has never been an obstacle to a true believer, no matter what the noble cause.
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In case that's too complicated, consider Three Mile Island. There is an intact but radioactive building, that isn't even in the planning stages for repairing the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mil ... ent_status

40 years later and the ruined radioactive building is still there. And this was a minor meltdown compared to Chernobyl. Four ruined reactor buildings and three melted cores is beyond anything even the worst case scenarios ever danced around.
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Failure with the (relatively speaking) primitive solid fuel reactors doesn't mean we should give up on nuclear. LFTR shows a lot of promise. Yes, there are problems to overcome, but the overall concept is very compelling.
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Removal of fuel in pool at Fukushima’s melted reactor begins

TOKYO (AP) — The operator of the tsunami-wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant began removing fuel Monday from a cooling pool at one of three reactors that melted down in the 2011 disaster, a milestone in what will be a decades-long process to decommission the facility.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said workers started removing the first of 566 used and unused fuel units stored in the pool at Unit 3. The fuel units in the pool located high up in reactor buildings are intact despite the disaster, but the pools are not enclosed, so removing the units to safer ground is crucial to avoid disaster in case of another major earthquake similar to the one that caused the 2011 tsunami.

TEPCO says the removal at Unit 3 will take two years, followed by the two other reactors, where about 1,000 fuel units remain in the storage pools.

Removing fuel units from the cooling pools comes ahead of the real challenge of removing melted fuel from inside the reactors, but details of how that might be done are still largely unknown. Removing the fuel in the cooling pools was delayed more than four years by mishaps, high radiation and radioactive debris from an explosion that occurred at the time of the reactor meltdowns, underscoring the difficulties that remain.
https://apnews.com/77f2b7cb9eb949c9bb53fdab2571b5f6
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"The work is carried out remotely from a control room about 500 meters (yards) away because of still-high radiation levels inside the reactor building that houses the pool."
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There is no reactor building left around the fuel pond. There is a shell they put over the remains of the reactor building.


Some day we might know how bad it is, but I doubt it. Most people still don't know the Three Mile Island reactor building is radioactive and still sitting there. They have avoided doing anything to deal with it since 1979. That's forty years the ruined building has sat there since the accident.
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Nuclear safety costs in Japan surge to staggering heights

Energy policy called into question as solar and wind power prices fall

July 09, 2019 04:11 JST
The reactors in operation at Kansai Electric Power's Takahama nuclear plant could be shut down if the utility fails to complete required anti-terrorism measures on schedule.

TOKYO -- Japan's nuclear plant operators face ballooning costs for meeting safety requirements imposed six years ago, potentially throwing a wrench into the government's policy of promoting the atom as a low-cost, reliable energy source.

The estimated total cost of bringing plants into compliance with current standards sits at roughly 4.8 trillion yen ($44.2 billion), according to a Nikkei survey of nine of the 10 big regional electricity providers along with Japan Atomic Power and Electric Power Development. The survey excluded Okinawa Electric Power, which has no nuclear capacity.

In January 2013, the utilities had pegged the cost of safety measures at just 900 billion yen. About six months later the Nuclear Regulation Authority -- the country's nuclear watchdog -- imposed some of the world's toughest safety standards to prevent a recurrence of the 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, triggered by an earthquake and tsunamis.

These requirements are poised to drive up the cost of nuclear power generation. In 2015, the government estimated that nuclear energy would cost as little as 10.3 yen per kilowatt-hour to generate in 2030 -- less than coal at 12.9 yen, or solar at 12.5 to 16.4 yen.

But the price of nuclear rises by 1 yen per kilowatt-hour for every 100 billion yen that safety-related expenses add to the cost of a new reactor. Meanwhile, solar and wind have become cheaper, dropping below 10 yen per kilowatt-hour in a growing number of cases overseas and even becoming competitive with nuclear in certain areas.

Consumers may end up bearing a portion of the burden through higher electricity rates.
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"Too cheap to meter..."

https://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/decommi ... nit-2.html

" TMI-2 has been defueled and decontaminated to the extent the plant is in a safe, inherently stable condition suitable for long-term management."

I'd hardly call that "avoided doing anything to deal with it since 1979."

But, I suppose the NRC could be in on the plot to rape Julian Assange with Epsteins dick...
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sparks wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:58 amBut, I suppose the NRC could be in on the plot to rape Julian Assange with Epsteins dick...
You think that is a bad thing?

:freedom:

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No, but remember Epstein allegedly prefers underage girls. Not a pedo, but not nice either.
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Japan tells diplomats no decision yet on contaminated Fukushima water

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese government officials on Wednesday told diplomats they were still considering options for handling contaminated water at Tokyo Electric Power’s wrecked Fukushima nuclear power plant amid worries the water may be dumped into the ocean.

A massive body of tainted water - more than a million tons as of August - is building up at the plant, crippled by a 2011 earthquake and tsunami, as operator Tokyo Electric (Tepco) tries to cool the melted fuel cores by pouring water over them. Tepco has said it will run out of tank space by mid-2022.

The briefing for embassy officials in Tokyo follows a meeting in August of a government panel of experts looking into ways to solve the water problem. The final government decision will be made based on a report by the panel.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japa ... SKCN1VP0LK
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What they don't tell you, and most people just don't know, is how hideous and difficult melted radioactive core material is, and how soluble it is, and how very very dangerous it is. Especially when in water.

And since they have to keep water on the corium, to prevent it from melting through the concrete foundations, there will be no end to the highly dangerous and polluted and radioactive water, which they just keep storing.
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Dumping it in the ocean just means they will be dumping it in the ocean for the next 1000 years. The real problem, and it is very real, is that there is actually no solution to the problem.

They haven't cleaned up Three Mile island yet, and they probably never will. And it is a lot smaller problem, just contaminated concrete and steel and such, a very small amount compared to three melted cores (around 300 tons of fuel, mixed with concrete and steel, somewhere under the reactors)

Same with Chernobyl. They don't even have a plan to ever solve the problem. The reason for covering it is to try and keep rain out, and slow the deterioration of the ruined structure. In essence they just want to keep the melted core material out of the groundwater. There is no plan to move it anywhere else, even of they could. In around 400 years they might be able to. Maybe.

Fuskushima is a whole nother issue.
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Something that is quite evident, at least to me, is the issue of design, and containment, and clean up. Involving nuclear reactors.

There never was, and still isn't, any plan, any equipment, and any solution to a complete meltdown. Much less were any tests done on any designs, to see if the design would actually work. And there is no solution, no solving the problem of a core meltdown.

the Windscale disaster in England, which started October 10, 1957, probably still hasn't been fixed. They are still trying to remove the melted fuel. Maybe. in 2008 they claimed there was only 18 tons of fuel left to remove.

Who the fuck knows? As Thomas Tuohy said, they were a shower of bastards, those responsible for that shit.
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In any case, there simply isn't, nor has there ever been, a plan and equipment to deal with a worse case scenario involving a nuclear reactor. And clearly the containment doesn't work.
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And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But that not withstanding, carry on.

Fuckwit.
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No you
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There will be no refutation
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The fact that no containment structure, no reactor design was ever tested is obvious. There was and is no way anyone is going to melt down a reactor full of fuel to see if the design works.