This Just in . . . Vaccines STILL Do Not Cause Autism

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""Thadeus succumbed to the whooping cough then was hit by an ocean liner, then smothered between Jenny's tits."

FTFY
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A German biologist who offered €100,000 (£71,350; $106,300) to anyone who could prove that measles is a virus has been ordered by a court to pay up.

Stefan Lanka, who believes the illness is psychosomatic, made the pledge four years ago on his website.

The reward was later claimed by German doctor David Barden, who gathered evidence from various medical studies. Mr Lanka dismissed the findings.

But the court in the town of Ravensburg ruled that the proof was sufficient.

Reacting to the verdict by the court in the southern town, Mr Lanka said he would appeal.

"It is a psychosomatic illness," he told regional paper Suedkurier. "People become ill after traumatic separations."

A recent outbreak of measles in Germany has sparked a debate about whether vaccinations against the disease should be compulsory.

An 18-month-old boy in Berlin died last month of the disease.

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That is awesome. A charlatan being held accountable.

Must be a "true believer" impervious to all evidence and reason.
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Indeed.

Too bad that 18 month-old died of a psychosomatic illness. . . .

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If psychosomatic, how does a vaccine prevent it? (And we know that they do because the prevalence of measles changed dramatically once a vaccine was introduced). That alone seems like sufficient proof to me, but I'm sure this doctor was able to amass much more evidence than just that. Also, If measles were psychosomatic, then why does no-one get it a second or third time? A psychosomatic disease you can only get one time and then become immune to?

Very obvious points that should occur to anyone entertaining this theory.
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I think the fact you can propagate the virus in cells then transfer them to animals that do not experience psychosomatic illnesses may have also done the trick but I do not know the details. I suspect Germany has stricter laws regarding lying. You cannot hide behind "freedom of speech." So you cannot bullshit your way around evidence you do not like the same way cranks with their "rewards for evidences--thanks--for evolution" bullshit their way around the mountain ranges of evidence in the US and avoid paying anything.

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That was fuckin' hilarious. Too bad the anti-axxers won't learn a thing from it
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What it takes for some people to finally get a clue:

Anti-Vaxx Mother Leaves Movement After All 7 of Her Kids Get Whooping Cough

I'm sure there's plenty of others for whom not even this kind of evidence would make a difference.
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Trapped in a house with all seven children under quarantine?

It is my very humane endevour to make to extent
Each evil liver a running river of harmless merriment!

My object all sublime
I shall achieve in time
To let the punishment fit the crime
The punishment fit the crime!

And let every sinner pent!
Unwillingly represent!
A source of innocent merriment!
Of innocent merriment!


Nevertheless, this is a positive reaction to overwhelming evidence against woo and conspiracy theory. She well-describes the behavior of defaulting to "doing nothing" in the face of irrational fear.

Naturally, her once-fellow True Believers will denounce her as a traitor and reconfigure her story to fit their beliefs.

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One wonders whether she will ever figure out birth control.
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More science!

Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccine Not Linked to Autism, Large Study Concludes

A study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association has found no link between the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism, even in children considered to have an elevated risk of developing the disorder. (A recent measles outbreak that affected 14 states began in California, where the belief that vaccines can cause autism is relatively widespread.)

The study “examined insurance claims for 96,000 U.S. children born between 2001 and 2007” to look for a connection between MMR vaccinations and autism spectrum disorders (ASD), the Wall Street Journal writes. From the study itself:

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If only more evidence made any difference to these people. Will this have any positive effect, even at the margins?
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A bill to remove many of the exemptions to mandatory vacciantion of school kids made it out of comittee. The woos are losing their freaking minds.

California vaccine bill approved by committee on second try

They are threatening to start homeshooling their kids, leave the country and just generally crying their eyes out. It's Glorious.
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Good on all parts. Homeschooling protects the kids who legitimately cannot receive vaccines, and leaving the country increases the aggregate intelligence.

And El knows California needs the help. . . .

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That was pretty much my response to a thread on the subject on Facebook.

"You mean they are going to pull their kids out of school and absolve the already overcrowded/underfunded school system of the expenses related to their disease riddled spawn? I am not seeing the downside here." I believe was how I put it.

And as for the threats to leave the country, maybe they can bunk with all those hardcore Democrats and Republicans who always threaten to move to Canada every time the other party wins an election.

Either way, I am NOT sorry that California made them cry.
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But do we really hate Canada that much?

Who will be our hat?

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https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot ... e=55D0B348

This is the kind of bullshit they are stooping too.
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Doctor X wrote:But do we really hate Canada that much?

Who will be our hat?

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Call it our revenge for Celine Dion and Justin Bieber.
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And Vancouver . . . do not forget Vancouver.

--J.D.

P.S. No one mentions the "forced" infections and deaths caused by lack of vaccination. But hey, They also make you feed your children. MAKE YOU FEED YOUR CHILDREN!

IN AMERICA!!!!

DEY DURK UR JERBS!
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This could go in the Other Thread since one of the principle crybabies was a chiropractor:
California chiropractors opposing vaccination bill

Senate Bill 277, which would end California's "personal belief" exemption for 10 vaccines, has drawn opposition from at least two chiropractic organizations:
  • The California Chiropractic Association is actively lobbying against California Senate Bill 277, which would end the state's "personal belief" exemption against ten types of vaccinations now required to begin school. [Mason M. Chiropractors lobby against bill ending belief exemptions for vaccines. Los Angeles Times, March 5, 2015] CCA's Web site advises members to say that they are "NOT anti-vaccine we are pro-informed consent and choice."

    Life Chiropractic College West sponsored a talk by Andrew Wakefield, who lost his British medical license for unprofessional conduct related to vaccine scaremongering. The San Francisco Chronicle has reported that he received standing ovations after he advised hundred of students that SB 277 was a step toward mandatory vaccination that could have dire consequences. The paper also noted that the school's president was considering hiring buses and canceling classes so students could attend a Senate hearing. [Allday E. Anti-vaccine leader tells parents to fight immunization bill. San Francisco Chronicle, April 25, 2015]
The pending bill was introduced in response to the recent outbreak of measles among children who had visited Disneyland. In a letter to the Los Angeles Times, William M. London, Ed.D., M.P.H., noted that mandatory childhood vaccination should be regarded as a social obligation rather than a matter of misinformed consumer choice.

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CCA's Web site advises members to say that they are "NOT anti-vaccine we are pro-informed consent and choice."
Just like the people against marraige equality are NOT anti-gay they are pro- religious freedom.
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Like David Duke is "not anti-black, Jew, Catholic, Hispanic, I'm just pro-white!"

It would be funny if it was not serious.

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You trust a site with a name like Quackwatch!!!! I bet you also claim that doctors can cure everything, don't you!!!
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That quacks me up.

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I've been invited to the wedding of a 40 something lady who is anti-vax. Some of her umpty kids are unvaccinated. In years past, I would have laughed it off as foolishness. But now, I simply cannot attend.
So, I'm expecting to be accused of self-centeredness and putting fundamentalist skepticism ahead of People, and putting far too much faith in scientific evidence. It could be a bit of a blow up.
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DrMatt wrote:I've been invited to the wedding of a 40 something lady who is anti-vax. Some of her umpty kids are unvaccinated. In years past, I would have laughed it off as foolishness. But now, I simply cannot attend.
So, I'm expecting to be accused of self-centeredness and putting fundamentalist skepticism ahead of People, and putting far too much faith in scientific evidence. It could be a bit of a blow up.
You can't just say, "I'm busy that day."
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Diphtheria reported in Spain

A six-year-old boy has become the first recorded case of diphtheria in Spain for 29 years. Eight children who came in contact with the boy have tested positive for the causative bacteria but have not become ill. These children, all of whom had been vaccinated, have been placed in isolation and are being treated with antibiotics to prevent the disease from developing. [Eight more children infected with diphtheria. The Local Spain, June 8, 2015] The six-year-old was hospitalized in serious condition but appears to be responding well to treatment with diphtheria antitoxin obtained from Russia after an urgent international appeal. His parents have said they feel "cheated" by the anti-vaccination movement. Antoni Mateu, Catalonia's regional secretary for public health, has pledged to pursue offending anti-vaccination platforms that "spread lies and cause confusion." [Parents of diphtheria boy 'feel terrible guilt.' The Local Spain, June 5, 2015] Diphtheria had been considered eradicated in Spain, thanks to routine vaccination programs, with the last case having been reported in 1986.

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Nyarlathotep wrote:https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot ... e=55D0B348

This is the kind of bullshit they are stooping too.
Indeed. In most cases, with a few exceptions among our former Presidents and other politicians, a needle is not a dick.
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From the "Bad Astronomer" no less!
In Clallam County, Washington, a woman has died of complications from measles. This is the first U.S. death from measles since 2003.

Clallam County had an outbreak of measles earlier this year, when five people were diagnosed with the disease. The woman who died brings this to a total of six.
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She likely contracted measles when she visited a health facility; a person who was later identified as having measles was there at the same time. The woman who died was apparently taking a series of medications that lowered her immune system’s ability to fight off disease. Although she didn’t present a rash or other obvious external symptoms, she died of pneumonia caused by the measles infection.

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sparks wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot ... e=55D0B348

This is the kind of bullshit they are stooping too.
Indeed. In most cases, with a few exceptions among our former Presidents and other politicians, a needle is not a dick.
Er, yes, needle dick the bug fucker, although injection may be involved. :lol: :D :cowbell: :cowbell: :tater:
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Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccine Not Linked to Autism, Large Study Concludes

A study published Tuesday [April, 2015--Ed.] in the Journal of the American Medical Association has found no link between the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism, even in children considered to have an elevated risk of developing the disorder. (A recent measles outbreak that affected 14 states began in California, where the belief that vaccines can cause autism is relatively widespread.)

The study “examined insurance claims for 96,000 U.S. children born between 2001 and 2007” to look for a connection between MMR vaccinations and autism spectrum disorders (ASD), the Wall Street Journal writes.

From the study itself:
Conclusions and Relevance In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.
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Junkee wrote:It’s a rare Australian who hasn’t encountered the work of cartoonist Michael Leunig.
[…]
Junkee contacted Leunig for clarification, and while he “is not commenting on his attitudes to vaccination,” according to a spokesperson, “his cartoon on the subject addresses the issues of hostility towards those who choose not to have their children vaccinated and defends their right to a personal position. [Leunig] feels the punitive approach by the government to people of conscientious belief regarding this matter is unjust and sets an appalling example to society about how those opposed might be universally regarded and treated.”
[…]
Whether or not Leunig genuinely believes childhood vaccinations to be harmful — and whether the Age should have questioned his latest cartoon before putting it to print — the incident presents another example of the complex interplay between cartoons, satire, freedom of speech, political correctness and community expectation that last came to prominence in the #JeSuisCharlieHebdo debate. In response to accusations of anti-Semitism, Leunig wrote in 2012: “My cartoons have also had me labelled a misogynist, a blasphemer, a homophobe, a royalist, a misanthrope and a traitor, to name but a few. I would sum it all up by saying: I am a cartoonist.”
http://junkee.com/leunig-vaccination/55048
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hammegk wrote:
sparks wrote:
Nyarlathotep wrote:https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot ... e=55D0B348

This is the kind of bullshit they are stooping too.
Indeed. In most cases, with a few exceptions among our former Presidents and other politicians, a needle is not a dick.
Er, yes, needle dick the bug fucker, although injection may be involved. :lol: :D :cowbell: :cowbell: :tater:
Tink--just how long have you been stuck in 6th grade?
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I Don’t Vaccinate My Child Because It’s My Right To Decide What Eliminated Diseases Come Roaring Back

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As a mother, I put my parenting decisions above all else. Nobody knows my son better than me, and the choices I make about how to care for him are no one’s business but my own. So, when other people tell me how they think I should be raising my child, I simply can’t tolerate it. Regardless of what anyone else thinks, I fully stand behind my choices as a mom, including my choice not to vaccinate my son, because it is my fundamental right as a parent to decide which eradicated diseases come roaring back.

The decision to cause a full-blown, multi-state pandemic of a virus that was effectively eliminated from the national population generations ago is my choice alone, and regardless of your personal convictions, that right should never be taken away from a child’s parent. Never.

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Just read on FB
TH wrote:I have Chronic fatigue which is an immune disease. I get very Ill whenever I am around someone who gets immunizations.
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Gnome wound her up with a reasonable question--how does your body know it's near immunized people.

I pointed out that autoimmune diseases are sometimes treated by partially suppressing the immune system, leading to immunodeficiency--which I'd just explained.

She announced her intention to block me. But I guess she didn't, as doing so would have locked her out of the thread.

There's more to it, involving a double dose of argumenum ad misrecordium, but in all things everyone was kind to her. Kindness is not enough for some people.
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Why would anyone be scared of a little cowpox?
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Maybe people just fear the unknown.

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robinson wrote:Why would anyone be scared of a little cowpox?
Purists, of course, go for the Real thingTM:
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Dayum. That's gotta hurt.