Quick poker tournaments?

RCC
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slimshady2357 wrote:Well I've been there fooling around with the Autobots :)

They've been hitting straights and sets on the river like it's fixed or something! :x

:D

I could probably be there tonight some time, around 6 or 7 EST.

I've been getting on there between 7 and 10 EST, on and off. The freeroll is at 10PM EST and I have been making a vague (although not as vague as C_B apparently) effort to play in that. It is a nice little quick free NLHE tournament. Most online free tournaments have little or no prize and still have thousands of people. This one pays $30 and has yet to have 20 people. The traffic seems to pick up on there about that time as people try to qualify for the freerolls in the sit-n-go tournaments. The FunBots are brutal. Back when the site was in beta the ARG events would hold "warmups" there, and there would be like 18 humans and about 20 funbots in a NLHE tournament. The funbots would for the most part play "all in or fold" poker, and aggressively at that. So usually the field was down to the final table within 20 minutes. Total bloodbath. slimshady2357 Posts: 698 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:53 pm Well, I'll drop by about 6EST and see who is there. I'll check in here too, just to see if C-B or Beleth are going to be there. I like the idea of 3 of us getting a table so that one of us (ok, you) is garunteed to get into the freeroll :D Adam slimshady2357 Posts: 698 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:53 pm Whoo hoo! I won a game and now have 50 freeroll points! Yeehaw! :D Adam RCC Posts: 7019 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:28 pm Location: Here for now. I'm there now as well... in case anyone wants to feel the pain... :twisted: Beleth Posts: 2868 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:55 pm Location: That Good Night I probably won't be on until late tonight, if at all. "Late" being after 9 Pacific (midnight Eastern, 4 AM GMT). And yes I did those time conversions in my head. slimshady2357 Posts: 698 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:53 pm RCC wrote:I'm there now as well... in case anyone wants to feel the pain... :twisted: I felt the pain, damn you :x And then I felt it again, in the next game though that wasn't you ;) Adam slimshady2357 Posts: 698 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:53 pm Whoo hoo, I now have 100pts. See you at 3AM my time RCC, if you're sticking around for the freeroll tourney :) Adam CHARLEY_BIGTIME RCC wrote: The FunBots are brutal. Disagree, the bots are dead easy to work out on qogs. They don't bluff and they don't accept bluffs. They play pure percentages - screw your loaf and you'll win cheap crap. Beleth Posts: 2868 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:55 pm Location: That Good Night All I've learned from the bots: - If they check, raise. - If they raise, fold. - If they fold, Hell has frozen over. Bearguin Posts: 8094 Joined: Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:26 am Title: Thankless Bastard! Location: Get off my fucking lawn Beleth wrote:All I've learned from the bots: - If they check, raise. - If they raise, fold. - If they fold, Hell has frozen over. I've seen them check when holding high pair. Rarely seen them raise except with a killer hand. Some of them always fold. RCC Posts: 7019 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:28 pm Location: Here for now. WARNING: POKER ANALYSIS AHEAD You played well. Very aggressive. Took me a while to adjust to it. One of the players made an ass of himself in a later game. Good example of a lack of understanding of the basics. After this hand the busted player called me an asshole. I think he felt wronged because my QT wound up beating his AQ, as the AQ was a huge favorite at that point. Here is why he is an idiot, and why a lack of understanding can make a routine play seem like some sort of horrible beat. Hand 4577155: Table Cheddar (50pt Freeroll Qualifier NL Holdem; T) Hand 4577155 Seat 1: peaches (Omaha) - T1160.00 Seat 2: Suddenly (Charleston) - T1300.00 Seat 3: FeltShark (the big O) - T540.00 The game is Holdem Note we are 3 handed, and that seat 3 only has 540 in chips. Suddenly has the button FeltShark blinds T50.00 peaches blinds T100.00 Blinds are pretty big in realtion to the stacks, no? Suddenly has the button Dealing hand 4577155 of Holdem to seats 1, 2, and 3 Seats 3, 1, and 2 are each dealt a card Your hole card is Th Seats 3, 1, and 2 are each dealt a card Your hole card is Qs I've QT, a decent hand preflop 3 handed, but with the blinds this size I'd just as rather take it down. Folding is a mistake, I'd rather not give a free flop, so... Suddenly raises T200.00 I raise T200, my standard NL raise making the bet triple the big blind. FeltShark raises T200.00 I get raised back 200, he is more or less all in so my choices are to fold or put 240 in the pot. At this point in the pot is the T50 small blind, my T300 bet, and this guy's T540. Thats T890. I have to call 240. So, I'm getting 890 - 240 or about 3.7 to 1 odds on my money. This player is short stacked and the blinds are high. He has also played somewhat aggressive. He likely has a better than average hand, but could have a wide number of hands. Thing is, I am getting 3.5 to 1, which means that as long as my hand wins at least 22% of the time I have odds to call here. How many hands does a QT offsuit not beat at least 22% of the time? Only AA, KK, and QQ. That's it. These are the only hands I would in the long run lose to by calling. AQ is beat by QT about 27% of the time. Sure, every now and then he's going to have these big pairs. Not very often, usually I'm going to get better than my needed 3.5 - 1 odds, like when he has a small pair and he is little better than even money. Plus, if he makes the move with JT, Q9, or T9, I'm a big favorite. The moral is, is when someone moves all in on you, and you have 3-1 or better odds to call, you should pretty much always call. If I'm in the big blind, and someone moves all in with a short stack and I have better than 3-1 I call without even looking at my hand. So.... peaches folds Suddenly raises T200.00 FeltShark calls T40.00 I raise him his last 40 and he calls. FeltShark is all in Pot 1 is T1180.00 Rake is T0.00 T160.00 returned to Suddenly Betting action is complete Suddenly shows: [Th Qs] FeltShark shows: [Qd Ac] Community card Tc Community card 6d Community card 5h Rake is T0.00 Community card 3d Rake is T0.00 Community card Kc Rake is T0.00 Suddenly shows: [Th Qs] -- One Pair, tens, K-Q-6 kickers FeltShark shows: [Qd Ac] -- No Pair, A-K-Q-T-6 high FeltShark mucks Suddenly wins T1180.00 from pot 1 FeltShark busts in place #3 and receives payout of 0 I flop a ten and send him to the rail. As outlined above, I had pot odds that justified calling him even if I knew what he had. Yet he calls me an asshole, and I bet he thinks that he was beaten by a stupid play. Yes, he usually wins this hand, but I clearly do better in the long run risking the 240 to bust him rather than folding and giving him the large pot. I'm not angry at the insult, as this sort of stupidity is what bought my wife's piano and allows me to profit from a hobby. I just wanted to illustrate it here to help others who read this to not be the guy that whines about this sort of thing, and more importantly to not be the person who ever folds to an all in bet when you are getting 3-1 or better preflop. RCC Posts: 7019 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:28 pm Location: Here for now. CHARLEY_BIGTIME wrote: RCC wrote: The FunBots are brutal. Disagree, the bots are dead easy to work out on qogs. They don't bluff and they don't accept bluffs. They play pure percentages - screw your loaf and you'll win cheap crap. Maybe at limit. I've not spent time with them there... When they played in the NL tournaments they may have been easy to beat in the long run, but their all-in or nothing style made them dangerous to mess with. Beleth Posts: 2868 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:55 pm Location: That Good Night RCC wrote:WARNING: POKER ANALYSIS AHEAD This player is short stacked and the blinds are high. He has also played somewhat aggressive. He likely has a better than average hand, but could have a wide number of hands. Thing is, I am getting 3.5 to 1, which means that as long as my hand wins at least 22% of the time I have odds to call here. How many hands does a QT offsuit not beat at least 22% of the time? Only AA, KK, and QQ. That's it. These are the only hands I would in the long run lose to by calling. AQ is beat by QT about 27% of the time. See, it's this odds-calculation thing that I don't get. How do you know this stuff so fast? Is it just from playing so much? Or is there an easy way to figure out what your odds are? RCC Posts: 7019 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:28 pm Location: Here for now. Beleth wrote: See, it's this odds-calculation thing that I don't get. How do you know this stuff so fast? Is it just from playing so much? Or is there an easy way to figure out what your odds are? I read some books to get a proper theoretical basis, the idea of what expected value is, what pot odds are, and so on. The Theory of Poker by David Sklansky is by far the best work as to basic ideas behind poker. Pot odds are the amount that the pot contains vs. the amount you need to call. Just plain math there. As far as what hand beats what in what situation, that is just from study, and looking things up on a poker calculator like this one: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/ So I've been playing seriously since the early 90's, (although I never played holdem until about 1997 when I went to law school... the games I played before then then were mainly 7 card stud hi-lo and no limit 2-7 lowball, but that was a weird time in a strange place) analyze my own hands after the fact, have read virtually every poker book of note, and I have spent time on various forums (Rec Gambling Poker on usenet for the most part, although that is largely a spamfest these days) reading hand analyses and such. After a while it you develop a "feel" for what is going on, as many asituation comes up over and over again. I've seen pretty much everything at least twice, or close enough to where I can analogize. I don't usually in my mind go through all this math as I am playing. If something weird comes up I may stop and work it out, but generally I have a good idea of what is going on based on experience. It is important now and then for me to "audit" myself, look at some hands after the fact and make sure my instincts as to the numbers are not out of whack. Hard to know for sure, as most decisions are not based on the exact hand the opponent holds, rather on the possible hands and the likelyhood of each. Lots of judgement built in. That is actually the best way to learn. Don't worry too much as you play, just try to reason things through, take notes on important hands (or get the hand history e-mailed to you, this can be done under the "file" menu on the qogs main page) and analyze them later or show them to others for their opinion. I'd be happy to look at any hands you (or anyone else) want to post here. slimshady2357 Posts: 698 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:53 pm Oh well, 8th out of 17, I can live with that for the first time :) I see you came 5th RCC, you didn't seem to be getting the cards. My pocket kings lost to pocket jacks, what can you do :) Adam RCC Posts: 7019 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:28 pm Location: Here for now. slimshady2357 wrote:Oh well, 8th out of 17, I can live with that for the first time :) I see you came 5th RCC, you didn't seem to be getting the cards. My pocket kings lost to pocket jacks, what can you do :) Adam Death by blinds. I eventually got all in with J4o.... I got no cards. I completely stole two big pots early on, and then never even had another decent bluff situation, much less a hand. Oh well, the entry price was right... Nice play on the moving all in on the flop with the AKs BTW. You had a flush draw and likely two overcards. Even when called by the jacks you were pretty much even money there (if the board had no pair you would be about a 55% favorite) since any heart, king or ace won it for you with two cards remaining, so when you factor in that you might get a better hand to fold it was a good aggressive play. A lot of people would have played that passively, and I think that is a whopping mistake as you are usually a favorite and since many don't realize that the play looks to them like a simple bluff. Moving all in in that situation is one of my pet poker plays. Looks much more reckless and daring than it is seeing you win more often than not. It didn't go your way, but that is the way of poker. Can't win 'em all... CHARLEY_BIGTIME MWAAHAHAHAHAAHA! I won the tournament last night. Played cautious, was always 2nd or 3rd with chips on the final table, bullied a bit, bluffed a bit, sacrificed a bit. I'd be interested RCC if you could have a look at my hands and see if I did anything that was pants. Now what the smeg am I going to do with a$30 cheque?
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Whoops... missed this post for some reason. I can't see the hands unless you saved them somewhere...

I'm headed over there tonight... Will be in for prelim single tables and the main, pausing only for a refill...
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RCC wrote:Whoops... missed this post for some reason. I can't see the hands unless you saved them somewhere...
I did. Can you PM email to me. I saved the last 50 hands so it might be a bit tedious. But I'm interested to know if I pushed when I should have held or vice versa.
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I just want to post that I saw slimshady win a hand with a queen-high straight flush about a week ago, and that I was mighty impressed.
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CHARLEY_BIGTIME wrote:
Now what the smeg am I going to do with a $30 cheque? Got the bastard Friday. I think I'll frame it. slimshady2357 Posts: 698 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:53 pm Beleth wrote:I just want to post that I saw slimshady win a hand with a queen-high straight flush about a week ago, and that I was mighty impressed. Not sure if you stayed for the next few minutes, but I did go on to win that game. It was only for points, not for the almighty$30 I keep trying to win, but Beleth came in third (80 points) and I won it (200 points). Big night for SC people :D

I'll be there again tonight, playing for the big money that RCC and Charley_B have already tasted ;)

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So do you three play this any more? I saw slimshady on about a week ago (I think) as I was looking over my spouse's shoulder, but I haven't seen Suddenly or CHARLEY on in a coon's age.

7 PM Pacific is just about the worst time for me to play in the real-money tournament. I work till 6 and I live an hour away from work, so if I'm late leaving for any reason I miss the starting time. Bugger. Especially since I have over 1000 credits stored up to qualify.

PS - I got a copy of Sklansky's "The Theory of Poker" and, while I'm only on page 38, many scales have already fallen from my eyes. I have a friend who works at Barnes & Noble so I got it for $20 instead of the usual$30. It was well worth $20. I will leave whether it is worth$30 up to the reader.

PPS - Chowaha is one seriously diseased mutation of poker. I thought Omaha was bad...
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Beleth wrote:So do you three play this any more? I saw slimshady on about a week ago (I think) as I was looking over my spouse's shoulder, but I haven't seen Suddenly or CHARLEY on in a coon's age.

7 PM Pacific is just about the worst time for me to play in the real-money tournament. I work till 6 and I live an hour away from work, so if I'm late leaving for any reason I miss the starting time. Bugger. Especially since I have over 1000 credits stored up to qualify.
It's not very good for me either, 7pm Pacific time is 3AM for me! :o But I still try to get in there once or twice a week if I can. I find it's pretty good practice, you get to see lots of hands. I don't think people play like they would if it was there own 1000, but it's still good to see that many hands.

Have you noticed how many people are there now? :o It used to be that there would be about 15 people in the freeroll tourney, now it's more like 90-100! Since the massive increase in people, the best I've done is 6th.
PS - I got a copy of Sklansky's "The Theory of Poker" and, while I'm only on page 38, many scales have already fallen from my eyes. I have a friend who works at Barnes & Noble so I got it for $20 instead of the usual$30. It was well worth $20. I will leave whether it is worth$30 up to the reader.
I was looking for that one at a Chapters the other day, but they didn't have it. They had lots of books on Poker though, including two by Phil Hellmuth. That's someone I wouldn't want to give any money to.
PPS - Chowaha is one seriously diseased mutation of poker. I thought Omaha was bad...
I haven't tried it yet..... But I'm looking forward to it :D

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I haven't been there in a while. I just never remember it... it's at 10PM for me, which is pretty convienient. At this point I have a new computer and I haven't downloaded the software so if it occurs to me to play at 9:55 I'm still sorta screwed...

I do like the site, even at 100 people in the freerolls the free tournaments are still quite reasonable in size. On Pokerstars the free tournaments usually get thousands of players, and that is with them limiting the size of the field. I don't bother as it can take 7-8 hours to get through the field... The cheap real money tourneys have about 1500... I play in those mostly just for the practice...

I'd avoid the Phil Helmuth book. Back before the boom I made it a point to read every new poker book that came out. I read the "Play Poker Like The Pros" and well... ye gads. Not totally insane, although I'd put his limit holdem advice as quite close... The rest I found unimpressive.

Phil is a great tournament player, he understands aggression and how to read other players. He's to poker what John Daly is to golf... an impressive and skilled player capable of success, but the very last person I'd go to if I wanted to learn basic sound fundamental play...

The more new players I run into and hear pontificate on the game, the more convinced am I that The Theory of Poker is the best book for any thinking player to read... I've been playing for many years and I still go back to it and read it and find it helps. I can't count the times live or online where I make what is a pretty obvious correct play and get someone calling me an idiot, asking why I did that...

A good example is a tournament stud hand I was in a few nights ago. I started with three high diamonds with no other diamonds out, and caught the fourth on fourth street. I remember that I raised someone on fourth street and built a big pot. There were three of us left. One player made an open pair of jacks on 5th street... the board was something like this:

him: (? ?) Qs Jc Jh
Me : (Qd Ad) 8d 2d 7c
she: (? ?) Th 3d Qs

Him bet into me, and I raised. She folded. I raised to 1) knock out she as the pot was large and my aces are totally live 2) because I figure to get a "free card" anyway on 6th street as him will check to the raiser. If I catch my diamond I get an extra bet, and if I don't I can check along, costing me the same as if had just called on 5th street. The pot is so large that I am going to the river with my draw either way.

sixth street were blanks, him checked I checked. I caught a diamond on the river card.

Then Him bets into me. I just call. He has only the jacks, and I win the pot.

Then he berates me in chat for not raising the river. Why didn't I raise?

The answer was because I'm thinking past my own hand, and up to that point I assumed he was capable of the same, so my only mistake is not realizing that he can't see past his own hand...

If we make the assumption that he is thinking about things... what can he have here?

My play looks so much like a flush draw that I have to figure he knows I'm on a flush draw. I am thinking not just about my hand, and not just about his, but more about what he thinks I have, and I have an obvious flush draw.

Meanwhile, he has to know that I know that he has at least jacks.

The only way a bet with jacks makes money is if I bluffraise and he calls, or if I make him for two pair and fold a pair of aces. Both somewhat unlikely. My bluff in very unlikely as his bet is very scary for reasons I will illustrate below, and I'm not dropping a hand that beats jacks because the pot is too large and my opponent unkown. Against someone I know well enough to know they would not bet just jacks there maybe, but not some unknown in a small tournament.

So I know that, and see Jacks as an unlikely hand, but possible if he is not thinkling about what is going on.

He could have two pair or trips, and be value betting hoping I have a higher pair than jacks and will call. However, my board has no card higher than a jack, so my having that hand is unlikely. Past that, he is getting raised if I hit my flush and I will fold if I miss, so his bet is a long-term loser against a flush draw just like the bet with the jacks.

So the most likely hand for a thinking player to bet here? Full house. He knows I may have a flush, and he bets hoping that I am not thinking about what he is thinking and will raise my flush so he can get three bets. With the other hands he checks and calls, hoping to pick off a bluff.

Knowing that his most likely hand is a full house, my call becomes clear. I must call because the pot is large and I am not sure I am beat as I am not familiar with the player. Against a few really tight careful players I might even throw this away, but this is not that case... I'm in a situation where I think I lose more often than win, and if I am behind he will reraise me and I lose even more. However, I don't think I will lose so often that I lose money when I call as the pot is large.

Obvious play, if you understand how odds work, and think at all about what other players have and what they think you have and so on. But someone though it was so bad as to take the trouble to berate me in a chat window...
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This just happened.

Me: Kd Jd
Player 2: ? ?
Player 3: ? ?
I call preflop... play it slow.

Flop: Th Kh Ah
There's my pair of kings but I still play it a little slow. I raise the minimum. Both the others call.

Turn: 9c
Whatever. A Queen would have been nice but oh well. I still raise minimum and still get called.

River: Qh
And there's the Queen for an ace-high straight. I bet as much as is already in the pot. Player 2 raises. Player 3 folds. I think about what player 2 could have. I suppose she could have a straight too, in which case we'll just split, or maybe a flush... ehh, I don't think a flush is likely, because I would not have called on the turn like she did.

We escalate until she's all in and I have 25 left.

Board: Th Kh Ah 9c Qh
Player 2 has [Jh 4s] -- Royal Flush
Beleth has [Jd Kd] -- Straight, ace high
Player 2 wins 1875

Argh! My first Royal Flush smackdown.

Looking back, I don't see any way out of it. I could have bet more after the flop to make her fold, I suppose.
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Beleth wrote:This just happened.

Me: Kd Jd
Player 2: ? ?
Player 3: ? ?
I call preflop... play it slow.

Flop: Th Kh Ah
There's my pair of kings but I still play it a little slow. I raise the minimum. Both the others call.

Turn: 9c
Whatever. A Queen would have been nice but oh well. I still raise minimum and still get called.

River: Qh
And there's the Queen for an ace-high straight. I bet as much as is already in the pot. Player 2 raises. Player 3 folds. I think about what player 2 could have. I suppose she could have a straight too, in which case we'll just split, or maybe a flush... ehh, I don't think a flush is likely, because I would not have called on the turn like she did.

We escalate until she's all in and I have 25 left.

Board: Th Kh Ah 9c Qh
Player 2 has [Jh 4s] -- Royal Flush
Beleth has [Jd Kd] -- Straight, ace high
Player 2 wins 1875

Argh! My first Royal Flush smackdown.

Looking back, I don't see any way out of it. I could have bet more after the flop to make her fold, I suppose.
It depends on your position. If you are acting second, I there are ways to at least put a lot of pressure on the other player. Acting first, it is a bit tougher as you are more vulnerable to being slowplayed by a monster.

With that flop, in a three handed tournament (if it were a full table and I had that flop with that hand and two opponents I'm going to fold nearly 100% of the time) I want to use the flop bet to win right there against hands like a small pair, or someone with a small lone heart, and give the opponent a chance to protect aces so I can get out. I'd bet half the pot or so. If the turn is not a heart or other obvious possible help card, I then want to punish all heart draws by making a pot sized bet. On the river I want to turn over my hand as cheaply as possible.

Position is very important, for two major reasons:

1) If I get bet into I can fold. Cheaper than being raised as I save the intial bet, plus, if she checkraises I can fold as most players aren't going to check-raise bluff that board... if so, that player can have the pot as she will need it....

2) On the river if checked to I can just show my hand and foil the "wait to the river and make a huge checkraise" type slowplay. I don't have to check first and show weakness and invite a bluff.

On the river here I would have if in position just checked it if checked to, and maybe checked and called a small bet just in case if I were first to act, but with that board no way am I putting any substantial chips at risk. Any heart beats me. Any jack is a split, I still lose to an ace...

She had to have something to be calling along, and she waited to the river to give you any action, and that river card only makes two hands that make any sense, a straight or flush, and you have the worst of the two.

I guess she could have QQ and be making an even worse play, or maybe some other set... possible, especially on a play money site, so I'd call a bet on the river.
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I'm signing up for all the scheduled qualifiers until the freeroll...in case any of y'all want to pluck this chicken....

I managed to finish out of the money in the last one :o
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Beleth wrote:So do you three play this any more? I saw slimshady on about a week ago (I think) as I was looking over my spouse's shoulder, but I haven't seen Suddenly or CHARLEY on in a coon's age.
Been on holiday for a couple of weeks and been busy at work which limits my participation as it kicks off @ 3 am UK time. Will try and be on over weekend.
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As long as it is free to play I'll have a go. Bit hit and miss when I am online though.
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Just been playing Texas hold'em here http://www.partypoker.com/news/index.html nice site and interface. I lost about $450(not real money) to some really good players one of which has no clue how to play, the other did and is real good. Like it as it is free to play and free play money too, has the option to play for real money if preferred. Excuse me I'm going back in to try and win my money back from the one who is more clueless than me. :o :lol: Beleth Posts: 2868 Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:55 pm Location: That Good Night I haven't been able to connect to QOGS since last Wednesday, and I've tried on three different computers, so I don't think it's me. I can't get to www.qogs.com either. I wonder what's going on. slimshady2357 Posts: 698 Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:53 pm Beleth wrote:I haven't been able to connect to QOGS since last Wednesday, and I've tried on three different computers, so I don't think it's me. I can't get to www.qogs.com either. I wonder what's going on. I just tried and I can't connect either. Perhaps they pulled the plug? Adam RCC Posts: 7019 Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:28 pm Location: Here for now. I get it to work, it wants me to get the upgraded software but it is still cool with me playing. I haven't played there for some time, when I play I've been playing really small buy in real money tournaments on a few different sites. Lots of whopping 1$ buy-ins, playing non-holdem when possible...

Fun to play for 2 hrs, bust out in 14th and win $.96... The last time I played the razz (7 card stud, low hand wins) tournament I'm playing now I came in second and won a whopping$29 or so... I'm gonna retire...

Educational though. I've never seen such bad poker.

I mean, in holdem you can call a raise with 72o and maybe hit a big 772 flop or just bluff someone out... bad, but not totally hopeless...

but in razz if your starting upcard is a Q and then you catch a K on 4th street...

I'm gonna suggest that calling when someone showing 34 bets and is raised by an 35 isn't very bright... that is pretty much hopeless...
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I also should mention I read vol 1 of Dan Harrington's no-limit holdem tournament book and can safely say it is extremely worthwhile and useful.

I'm going to order vol 2 which I have heard is of also fantastic except for that apparently Mason Malmuth edited it and he's, well, not a good editor...
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RCC wrote

I've never seen such bad poker.
I refer you to my performance in Hand 90. :oops:
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lofgeornost wrote:
RCC wrote

I've never seen such bad poker.
I refer you to my performance in Hand 90. :oops:
Nah.

The only mistake there was calling preflop. You don't want to give a free flop...

Once you call, shemp calls, and then Aoidoi pushes, a fold there would be madness IMO unless Aoidoi is for some reason only going to move in with a monster.

You are probably an underdog, but getting 2-1 and when playing against short stacks consider this: If you get someone all in twice when they are a 70% favorite you are actually a small favorite overall to bust that player...

weird but true... .70 * .70 = .490 which means that more than 50 percent of the time you send them to the rail...

So you can afford to be a slight bit loose when dealing with a short stack in the endgame... In the hypothetical situation where I had a 10:1 or so chip lead heads up with the opponent having less than 10 times the big blind, I'm probably going to move in every time. If there is hope that player will fold a few times and wait for a hand, probably goes out the window...
RCC
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RCC wrote:
Fun to play for 2 hrs, bust out in 14th and win $.96... The last time I played the razz (7 card stud, low hand wins) tournament I'm playing now I came in second and won a whopping$29 or so... I'm gonna retire...
Well... more like 3.5 hrs, bust out 3rd and win \$16.03...

I may have to play more razz...
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RCC wrote

The only mistake there was calling preflop. You don't want to give a free flop...
Yeah, I think I was a little giddy at that point and lost a some aggression.

Thanks for the bit of analysis. It helps to get some outside view of how a hand is played.