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Sounds like most cats...
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ed wrote:I have a question. If demons are real can you catch one and domesticate it? Do you think that they would make good pets? If you can drive one away it stands to reason that you could attract it and cage it. Do they mate? Could you hybridize them and come up with "cute demons" and "miniatures" and "pug nose demons"?????

What would a tech billionaire pay for one? Is there a business here?
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:I read that book.

It does not have a happy ending for the protagonists. :)
But it's a pleasant read, and quite well researched (re. ed's question).

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This probably should have gone in 'The Ship of Fail' but this thread needs some love too:

Mother crashed car into pole to prove to kids God is real, police say
Police say Warren was driving northbound on Peachtree Industrial Boulevard when she crossed into the southbound lanes and drove head on into a concrete pole.

Sitting in a police car, her children explained what happened before the crash.

“You think she did it on purpose?” the officer asks.

“Yeah because she turned. Her eyes was closed and she was saying, blah, blah, blah, ‘I love God,’” one daughter said. “She didn’t want us to just have a car accident. She wanted us to know that God is real."
Reminds me of the old joke with the punchline that goes: True believer: "God, why didn't you save me?" God: "I sent three boats!"

Maybe God isn't interested in saving idiots from themselves.
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Megachurch pastor with ties to George W. Bush indicted on $3.5 million fraud
A former religious adviser to President George W. Bush has been accused by federal prosecutors of defrauding investors of $3.5 million.

Pastor Kirbyjon Caldwell and a business partner, Gregory Smith, sold millions of dollars of worthless Chinese bonds, telling investors to "remain faithful and that they would receive their money," according to documents obtained by ABC Houston station KTRK.

Prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Western District of Louisiana announced the 13-count indictment Thursday.
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The court documents state that Caldwell and Smith raised at least $3,488,500 from about 29 investors between April 2013 and August 2014.

They reportedly told would-be investors that the Chinese bonds "were safe, risk-free, worth tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars," when really they were "mere collectible memorabilia with no investment value," the complaint states.

Caldwell, 64, and Smith, 55, did not tell the investors that the funds they would be using their money for personal expenses, according to the court documents.

The prosecutors said that the defendants used the money that they solicited to buy vehicles, pay off credit card balances and mortgages, among other personal expenses.

"Although many investors did not understand the investment, they ultimately trusted Smith and took comfort in the fact that a high-profile pastor was offering the investment," the complaint states.

When pressed by investors about how long it would take to see returns on their investments, the pair reportedly offered a range of excuses that included delays caused by the International Monetary Fund or World Bank and issues related to international currency exchanges, the filing states.

Caldwell was known both within his community through his megachurch and in the national political sphere because of his ties to the former president.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Remember Pat Buchanan?

He's writing for World Nut Daily these days. How the mighty have fallen.

At any rate, guess who Pat says is a heretic and why?

C'mon, guess. :mrgreen:
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Does the pope believe in hell?
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The Vatican is denying that report BTW.

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↑ There is no Real Church©, only various heretics fancying they belong to it.

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Were not they all 'revolutionaries'?
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Trolling atheists, for a change:

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"clone Him"! :mrgreen:
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Souls, like Jesus, do not exist except in the mind of humans. :wink:
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Evidences?
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Irrelevant if souls do not exist.
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And it's gone after death, yes?
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Indwelt,...Indwelt? By Jesus foreskin you'd never see Jack Chick use such high falootin words. His demons rode on yer frickin shoulders and made snide comments.

Kids these days.
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I sure have been seeing a lot of headlines recently about sex scandals or crimes involving "Men of God".

Let's see:

Everything to Know About the Pastor Bill Hybels Sexual-Misconduct Scandal (Prominent "megachurch" pastor)

Former Maine pastor charged with raping a child

Auckland pastor jailed for sexually abusing two girls, one while her mother was dying

Alabama evangelist Acton Bowen jailed in Hoover on child sex charges involving young boy

Carlsbad Pastor Sentenced to 15 Years for Child Molestation

Mobile pastor found guilty of rape and sex abuse of a child

The Auckland one is Australia, the rest are all in USA.

Probably not an exhaustive list either, just those on the first page of search results for "pastor" on Google news right now. The stories are all recent ones, within the last 3 days or so.
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In fact my snarky post was a kind of comment about Anax's list of horrors.

I'm well aware of the fundamentalists' self-hate (let's call it that), it's a Medieval mindset and so there is a rich iconography. Yet I'm not so sure about your logic, "Jesus died for nothing" being literal and unironic – or only in the very bland sense that if humans weren't inveterate sinners dying to redeem that (one wonders how, of course) would just be pointless.

Yet this is true:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:I reckon you never had dealings with fundamentalists.
We don't have much of them around here – for now.

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What happens when the rules change?

One of the most telling sniff tests to me re religion is the fact that things that were bad and would result in damnation are now acceptable. The point is that sin is completely defined by people and therefore mutable.

viz
Thou shalt not kill
That is the clearest thing in the bible. Four words strung together as a declarative.

right.
They who have waged war in obedience to the divine command, or in conformity with His laws, have represented in their persons the public justice or the wisdom of government, and in this capacity have put to death wicked men; such persons have by no means violated the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill.
Augustine of Hippo
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Good News Translation
You must keep the day of rest, because it is sacred. Whoever does not keep it, but works on that day, is to be put to death.
I chose this translation because it is the "Good News" translation.
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↑ Coherence isn't exactly their strong part… :twisted:

From Wolinski, killed in the Charlie Hebdo attack:

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Top to bottom:
100 years secularity
1905 law (separation of state & church)
Neither god
Nor master (anarchist saying)
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ed wrote:
Good News Translation
You must keep the day of rest, because it is sacred. Whoever does not keep it, but works on that day, is to be put to death.
I chose this translation because it is the "Good News" translation.
Indeed. There is a commandment to not kill, but also commandments to kill. (and only the most orthodox of Jews seem to care about that sabbath commandment anymore, and even they ignore the "put to death" part of it.)

Arguably, if you aren't putting people to death for the things the bible commands you to, aren't you defying God's commandment? :notsure:

To be sure, I'm happy that this isn't as common as it used to be, but it does show the malleability of what it means to be a "good" Christian or "good" Jew, or etc. Some Muslims apparently still take those parts of the Koran seriously. Eventually they will catch up.
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Anaxagoras wrote:Indeed. There is a commandment to not kill, but also commandments to kill. (and only the most orthodox of Jews seem to care about that sabbath commandment anymore, and even they ignore the "put to death" part of it.)
There are older commandments to sacrifice your first born. Something to pull out いつ児童は詰まらないだよ。
Arguably, if you aren't putting people to death for the things the bible commands you to, aren't you defying God's commandment? :notsure:
YHWH condemns Saul for failing to kill every single human--man, woman, and child included--as part of his demanded mass-sacrifice or חרם.
To be sure, I'm happy that this isn't as common as it used to be, but it does show the malleability of what it means to be a "good" Christian or "good" Jew, or etc. Some Muslims apparently still take those parts of the Koran seriously. Eventually they will catch up.
I have had modern Christians argue with me that the ritual torture of an infant would be "good" if their god orders it.

Anything to save the myth, you see.

I excised a long meandering on the topic: "the Bible" does not represent one religion, one good, one culture, and certainly not one time. The individual texts result from the combination of a number of sources. Expecting them to agree is folly. Of course, for fundamentalists, this creates doubt.

The two idiots who at different times argued that the command to kill infants can be an objective "good" simply struggled to avoid such doubt. They could no longer argue "The Bible don't say THAT!!!" as I am sure you are aware.

This is why I "talk SPORTS!" because the same irrationality comes into play. Generally, I offend less by doing that. Despite a few extreme examples of "fanboys" Boston has not rounded up and executed MFY fans. St. Louis opened their stadium up to RS fans near the end of Game 4 of the 2004 WS. From your neck of the 森, there is odd documentary about Bobby "What?" Valentine by ESPN regarding his time in Japan. Ignore the Narcissistic Fat Head that is Valentine, the differences between Japanese and FREEDOM fans is hilarious.

Japanese fans are devoted. One of my favorite series I use to [Confirm his illiteracy.--Ed.] practice reading has a female character utterly devoted to Chiba Lotte Marines. She would be a "Stats-Head."

No.

When "Our Team" loses the equivalent of the ALCS, the announcers asks it devoted fans to congratulate the winning/rival team AND wish them the best of luck for the Japanese WS equivalent.

Could you imagine in Yankees stadium . . . "Let's all give a warm welcome to the Red Sox and hope they win the World Series?"

Perhaps that is the one difference between sports and religion: most sports fans, even "die hard" to "obnoxious," know it is a game. They also know that, yes, Their Team loses sometimes.

The religious?

--J.D.

P.S. Three of the Philadelphia TDs were illegal.
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↑ Re. devil, a nice picture from the Codex Gigas:

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Awesome trunks! :mrgreen:
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Turns Out the “Boy Who Came Back From Heaven” Was in Ohio the Whole Time
Lowering the Bar (lawyer blog)

Synopsis: The boy (now grown up) is suing his dad (who wrote the book).
Too bad he came back.
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Evidently he was despis'd and reject'd.

--J.D.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:How To Judge People By What They Look Like
Unz Review

Synopsis: Positive review of new book with exactly that title.
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But, as Dutton says in his book, the relevant research has been published in top psychology journals, such as Intelligence, Personality and Individual Differences and Evolutionary Psychological Science, as has his own research. This includes a study asserting that atheists tend to be less physically attractive and more likely to be left-handed than religious people and that they have objectively worse skin.

Dutton, ever the evolutionist, opines that this is because we have been selected to be religious over thousands of years of evolution. Hence, those who are atheists reflect mutant genes in the brain and people with mental mutations are more likely to have physical ones. This explains their asymmetrical features and asymmetrical brains, leading to left-handedness.

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Emphasis added. :BigGrin3:
Intelligent people, he says, also have longer, less baby-like faces and longer noses.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Or do you mean True AtheismTM only? :p
I don't know what that is. Some Murican sect? :mrgreen:

In my (naive) view, atheism is just "There are no gods." The rest is politics, philosophy, psychology, history, social action and so on. Contrary to the religions, nothing binding.

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The latest episode of This American Life is called Heretics. It's about a preacher who was very successful, probably making millions of dollars a year in income, until he had a "crisis of faith" and started having some heretical ideas. He became a sort of pariah because of it. Went from having maybe 5000 congregants at his church every week to perhaps 200. He was formally declared a heretic by his former coreligionists. He clearly paid a very big social and financial cost.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/304/heretics

They made it into a Netflix movie called Come Sunday:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1690967/

Haven't seen the movie but I would recommend the podcast for those who listen to podcasts.
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Tentacles?


I am asking for a friend.

--J.D.

P.S. I will look into it. I think I know of the case. Funny, the odd show I recommended from Ol' Blighty Rev. about an urban CofE reverend has issues and his wife, a solicitor, suggest, "maybe you should be an Atheist for a while?"

Then there is the older Yes, Prime Minister where Sir Humphrey explains the candidates for a bishopric. The "conservatives" are the "ones who still actually believe in a god."

If one really thinks about it, it is hard to believe in such things.

*Mounts Soapbox*

You see this with ruminations on, say, homosexuality. I will spare the whole ancient history on the subject, the biblical passages, blah . . . blah . . . and leave it that, for many in the misnomer "JudeoChristian Tradition" [Pat. Pending.--Ed.] it is an "abomination."

Awesome. Shall we move on?

But, wait, if Big Daddy made everyone, then he made "t3h gh3yz" so . . . how can that be "wrong?" This is why so many try to pretend "iz a CHOICE!" so they can attach blame. Whether "it is" or "is not"--not . . . that there is anything wrong with "it"--is another topic which I find, ultimately, irrelevant.

To such "iz a choyce!" types, I ask them "what" they like. "I likes Lolis!" "I likes fat chicks!" "I like Gram's Mom!" Et cetera.

I then ask them if they can "choose" to "like something different."

You can see where this mess takes you. Sincere people, thoughtful people, will wrestle with such problems and begin to ask questions.

--J.D.
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Alas, no tentacles. But yeah, I thought it might interest you since you like to study the bible. He got into trouble it seems (at least in part) by actually studying the bible in a serious way and thinking for himself, not just taking the KJV as the final authoritative word on things. And some of that gets mentioned in the episode. This did not go over very well in the Pentacostal community.