The Dune Thread

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:28 am

Since summer I have been reading the Dune series. The original six Frank Herbert novels, plus the two sequels written by his son. FINALLY finished the last one today (Sandworms of Dune).

It is going to almost be weird to be reading about people not named Atreides, Harkonnen, etc. There are the bazillion inferior prequels that Brian Herbert wrote, but nah.

Anyhoo, it's going to be a big year for Dune, there is another film adaption of it coming out in December, and it is getting a lot of positive buzz. So this is the place for all things Dune.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:34 am

First time reading? Or rereading them?

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:04 pm

Can't say I thought much of the Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson efforts but I had to read them just in case.

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:35 pm

robinson wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:34 am First time reading? Or rereading them?

Re-reading the originals. First time for the Brian Herbert sequels

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:59 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:48 pm Is there a fandom faction that is pissy about the sequels? :)

Not that I'm aware of. However, I belong to a few SciFi fan groups and folks are generally in agreement that they are definitely lacking in lustre.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:52 pm

They actually suck IMNsHO

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:33 pm

They actually do.

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:56 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:48 pm Is there a fandom faction that is pissy about the sequels? :)

Pissy? No. But it’s rare to find anyone who will admit to liking them. I thought they were “meh”. No worse than the last couple of original books, but that’s a low bar.

I think they had the elements of a good story, but failed in execution. Too much telling, not enough showing and the end was the most egregious Deus Ex Machina I have ever seen

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:59 pm

But if you want pissy, there IS a rumor that a minor character (Liet Kynes) is going to be gender swapped in the upcoming movie and it’s confirmed that the Fremen will, gasp, be played mostly by black actors. And there are sine pissy people over those things

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:50 am

asthmatic camel wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:04 pm Can't say I thought much of the Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson efforts but I had to read them just in case.

Same here. Frank had the fucking temerity to die after leaving the series on a cliffhanger. I wanted to read SOME resolution to that, even a shitty one

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:29 am

Nyarlathotep wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:59 pm But if you want pissy, there IS a rumor that a minor character (Liet Kynes) is going to be gender swapped in the upcoming movie and it’s confirmed that the Fremen will, gasp, be played mostly by black actors. And there are sine pissy people over those things

That doesn't bode well. Kinda like Peter Jackson trying to "improve" TLOR & The Hobbit. Let me know how it goes so I don't waste any time or money.

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:23 am

asthmatic camel wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:29 am
Nyarlathotep wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:59 pm But if you want pissy, there IS a rumor that a minor character (Liet Kynes) is going to be gender swapped in the upcoming movie and it’s confirmed that the Fremen will, gasp, be played mostly by black actors. And there are sine pissy people over those things
That doesn't bode well. Kinda like Peter Jackson trying to "improve" TLOR & The Hobbit. Let me know how it goes so I don't waste any time or money.

I don't have a problem with it. There is nothing about Kynes that requires him to be male. And as for the Fremen, while I never pictured them as black, I always pictured them as basically Space Arabs, so it isn't much of a stretch to make them a shade or two darker.

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:55 am

I'd say there's quite a lot that requires Kynes to be male, especially as leader of a Space Arab nation. Oh well, I don't have to watch it. :)

Nyarlathotep · Post by **Nyarlathotep** » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:32 am

asthmatic camel wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:55 am I'd say there's quite a lot that requires Kynes to be male, especially as leader of a Space Arab nation. Oh well, I don't have to watch it. :)

Kynes dies about a third of the way through the book. He almost doesn't even need to exist

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:53 am

Trailer is out for the new movie.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:07 am

Where is Ben Gazzara?

– J.D.

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:19 am

Go check the Tumbrel of Missed Opportunity.

:x :x :x

Rob Lister · Post by **Rob Lister** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:57 am

Weell that was dark

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:05 am

Anaxagoras wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:53 am Trailer is out for the new movie.

Pink Floyd backing track. Might give it a look. :)

ed · Post by ed » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:51 am

Not nearly as stylish as David Lynch's version. Did it really need a remake?

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:37 pm

It’s going to be awesome

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:37 pm

Finally!

ed · Post by ed » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:44 pm

I ask again, ... consider it asked, AGAIN!!

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:46 pm

DUNE and the 5 other Dune books will always be remade

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:48 pm

I’m waiting for Chapterhouse DUNE

Duncan and Teg deserve a movie

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:48 pm

The fight scenes alone would be fucking awesome cubed

ed · Post by ed » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:49 pm

Evasion noted.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:49 pm

And then there is Murbella

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:23 am

ed wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:51 am Not nearly as stylish as David Lynch's version. Did it really need a remake?

The special effects and fight choreography in that movie seem rather dated by today's standards.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:43 am

That’s being kind

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:11 am

Frank Herbert himself was involved in producing the David Lynch version.

Evidences.

It's not a bad effort considering the tech available at the time.

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:49 am

robinson wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:48 pm I’m waiting for Chapterhouse DUNE

Duncan and Teg deserve a movie

Teg's batman, Burzmali deserves a mention, too.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:18 am

Oh man, don’t get me started

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:52 pm

I was actually thinking of Heretics

That’s the one with Teg gaining super speed

That shit was actually awesome

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:53 pm

The slaughter of the Matres and the space battles can now be done justice with CGI

Also the God Emperor shit can be done now

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:54 pm

Because it is sort of just background, the space battles are overlooked

Also the planet destruction of Dune

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:30 pm

robinson, have you read the Pandora trilogy which Herbert wrote in collaboration with Bill Ransom? They're sequels to Herbert's Destination Void, which isn't an easy read. Enormously enjoyable. :)

https://i.imgur.com/JE82EN2.jpg

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:44 pm

Yes

Multiple times

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:47 pm

I’ve read everything Herbert wrote

He is one of my favorite authors

asthmatic camel · Post by **asthmatic camel** » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:56 pm

Same here. More of a fantasy writer than the "hard SciFi" writers I really like but he gets a pass because he was so clever. :)