The Dune Thread

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asthmatic camel wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:24 am I enjoyed Dune in the same way as TLOR: it's pure escapism. Now, if you want real SciFi, I've got a very long list...
TLOR (or LOTR in American) was not self righteously irritating.

Herbert made this thing and added elements that were sorta like in-jokes that weren't funny nor were they terribly creative nor did they add anything.

A glom jabber fer chrissakes. The first thing that the kid should have done afterwards is to have gotten the fat Chinese guy to cut her head off. I would have, you would have. And the names. Really "Duncan Idaho". My god.

And the fucking initial premise. A sophisticated Duke gets taken in and killed in the first 5 pages. Really? And did he pass his political sophistication on to his child?


BEHOLD!!!! I can write a 1,257 page book!!!

God, I hate aluminum.
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ed wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:07 am
asthmatic camel wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:25 am https://earthandhuman.org/most-polluted ... the-world/
I call bullshit on any list that puts any American river on the same footing as the fucking corpse laden Ganges.

Shoulda been the Tallahatchie.

Too soon?
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Anyway, any remake not containing an English pop star that is a shittier actor that Keanu Reeves (just) is not worth my time.
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Hotarubi wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:30 pm Anyway, any remake not containing an English pop star that is a shittier actor that Keanu Reeves (just) is not worth my time.
The other other thing about this remake is that all of the actors, ALL OF THEM, appear to be heavily tranquilized. I have not seen so little affect since my visits to Creedmoor State Hospital where they used Thorazine rather than locked doors.

The whole goddamn thing was a silver alert.

ATTENTION ATTENTION be alert to the presence of hundreds of actors shambling in a desert.

ETA I'd rather, far rather, have a shitty pop star than some unknown that has the get up and go of a pithed frog.
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I never much cared for the book(s) or the first movie. Even Patrick Stewart hamming it up failed to register. Such a waste of a good cast.
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Patrick Stewart???? oh ...
Anyway you might find this interesting. I don't.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/katherinepickh ... hen-vs-now
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Maybe someone from Coldplay.
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Or Pee Wee Herman.

Perfect
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I used to have one but I lost it
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But hey, I enjoyed the fuck out of Lord of Light so I can’t be trusted
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ed wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:53 am
asthmatic camel wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:24 am I enjoyed Dune in the same way as TLOR: it's pure escapism. Now, if you want real SciFi, I've got a very long list...
TLOR (or LOTR in American) was not self righteously irritating.

Herbert made this thing and added elements that were sorta like in-jokes that weren't funny nor were they terribly creative nor did they add anything.

A glom jabber fer chrissakes. The first thing that the kid should have done afterwards is to have gotten the fat Chinese guy to cut her head off. I would have, you would have. And the names. Really "Duncan Idaho". My god.

And the fucking initial premise. A sophisticated Duke gets taken in and killed in the first 5 pages. Really? And did he pass his political sophistication on to his child?


BEHOLD!!!! I can write a 1,257 page book!!!

God, I hate aluminum.
That's a bullshit critique, you can do better.

History is littered with sophisticated leaders getting killed or worse. Look what happened to that Caesar guy.
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It is an excellent critique. Beyond excellent, actually. Transcendent more like.

These people live with treachery. It is in their DNA. And a super senior guy is fooled???? That would be like a person of Biden's experience screwing up an international agreement and pissing off one of our oldest allies ... oh ... wait. Forget that ... it would be like Biden screwing up withdrawal from a country where there is no time pressure and leaving billions of dollars worth of equipment for our sworn enemies .. ummm ... wait ... scratch that ... it would be like a shoo in candidate telling parents that they have no say in their kids education ...

Hmmmm ... maybe you have a point.
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All the treachery and scheming by the Emperor and Harkonnens were in the end the tools of their demise.
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Grammatron wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:02 pm All the treachery and scheming by the Emperor and Harkonnens were in the end the tools of their demise.
How Calvinistic.
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It's more of a Greek tragedy.
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No greek T was 3,000 pages
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ed wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:33 pm No greek T was 3,000 pages
Survival bias
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Huh?
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ed wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:15 pmHuh?
Longer works didn't make it.
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ed wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:24 am
Nyarlathotep wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:28 am Since summer I have been reading the Dune series. The original six Frank Herbert novels, plus the two sequels written by his son. FINALLY finished the last one today (Sandworms of Dune).
I note that soon after finishing this series of "books", Nyarl started acting erratically, behavior that culminated in his disappearance which pre-dated the release of the movie by mere weeks.

Draw your own conclusions.
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lol
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Nyarlathotep wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:56 pm I thought they were “meh”. No worse than the last couple of original books, but that’s a low bar.
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I will admit I did not read the last Dune book

And never will
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Chapter house or his son's fan fiction?
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The sons


I love Chapterhouse
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Sometimes I wonder if your takes are randomly generated.
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The sci-fi channel version was pretty damn good
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robinson wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:58 pm The sci-fi channel version was pretty damn good
Agreed.
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The original dune book was ok. I tried reading on a couple more and they were dire.

The problem was that each new meddling faction that got introduced was incredibly powerful and would be blatantly unstable politically. There literally could not have been the stable organizations/societies shown in the world building if such beings existed.

It was ridiculous (and I say that as someone who has a fondness for warhammer 40K which is ridiculousness dialed up to 11 and yet appears plausible compared to the Dune universe)

Ps - I liked the lynch film. Hadn’t heard of the sci-fi special. Will probably watch the new one at some point.
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Wait for the next one or two to come out before you partake. It’ll just make more sense if you binge them.
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Went back to it last night. I picked up at the part where the kid that cant act and the chick who is presumably his mother are escaping from the absurd loss of their stronghold to the troops of the bad guy that bathes in poop (yes!!! saw is about 10 min in).

Do you know that machinery that requires physical movement to work is a problem in a sandy environment like Arrikis? Of course you know that. No one on Arrikis does however.

Dunkin Phife, the bodyguard guy, slips out from a protected room to fight the bad guys. He gets stabbed and falls and the bad guys turn their backs to him to continue beating on a closed door. He gets up and yells, thus politely informing them that he is attacking. They, of course, turn around, gang up on him and stab him some more. BTW someone there should invent something that propels a small solid object at very high velocities due to some sort of violent chemical reaction. Could make a mint.

That kid really cannot act worth a damn. Amazing.

Anyway, the really stupid mosquito thing crashes and they look at sand all around them. The kid blathered some lines.

My Daughter arrived, turned it off. Got another 15 minutes under my belt.

Did you lot actually watch this thing thru at one sitting?
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ed wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:25 am BTW someone there should invent something that propels a small solid object at very high velocities due to some sort of violent chemical reaction. Could make a mint.
Always narked me that none of the factions in GoT thought to import gunpowder from Yi Ti at any point.

Carry on.
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Hotarubi wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:30 pm Anyway, any remake not containing an English pop star that is a shittier actor that Keanu Reeves (just) is not worth my time.
BTW ... we invented KR so that you lot would always have someone to look down upon.

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Grammatron wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:02 pm All the treachery and scheming by the Emperor and Harkonnens were in the end the tools of their demise.
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ed wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:23 pm
Grammatron wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:02 pm All the treachery and scheming by the Emperor and Harkonnens were in the end the tools of their demise.
https://i.imgur.com/DpDNKvi.jpg
Treachery and a million fremen.

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OK. Time for a bit of a reality check.

You have one of the most inhospitable landmasses that exists anywhere. Vast desert, giant worms fer chrissakes. Nothing grows. No animals.

And this vasty nothingness* supports a million HEALTHY fighting people? Really? Let's just look at some analogs:

Sahara desert: 617,000 Seriously I ask you ... can you imagine recruiting someone who lives there?

Kalahari Desert: The "San" people. Unknown number. The dead refuse to be counted. Skinny people who forage on camel droppings.

So we are supposed to believe that a vast army is going to arise from a worm dodging population that subsists on grubs? Really?

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ed, if Dune doesn't suit, try Herbert's Hellstrom's Hive. It's a little dated but remains one of my favourite novels. No psi powers involved and it's at least partially credible.
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Is Ben Gazara involved?

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