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Basically as the person is lauded by which ever "side" wants the narrative.

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Thread about statistics. Might be useful. Or not.



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Yeah...uh...is this action legal?

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/10617750 ... -companies
New York City will implement new measures meant to head off the worsening coronavirus surge, including what its mayor says will be a "first-in-the-nation" vaccine mandate for all private-sector workers to take effect Dec. 27.
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Do not think so.

Virtue signaling that will get overturned too late to matter.

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Doctor X wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:03 pm Do not think so.

Virtue signaling that will get overturned too late to matter.

– J.D.
But he said it on Morning Joe! And instead of an official press release, he refers directly to the Morning Joe transcript!

Kafkasque as it gets.
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Well, I must confess that I forgot that Morning Joe has precedence over even Canadian law!

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Some good news about Omicron:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... a-81689492
According to South Africa’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases:

— Only about 30% of those hospitalized with COVID-19 in recent weeks have been seriously ill, less than half the rate as during the first weeks of previous pandemic waves.

— Average hospital stays for COVID-19 have been shorter this time - about 2.8 days compared to eight days.

— Just 3% of patients hospitalized recently with COVID-19 have died, versus about 20% in the country's earlier outbreaks.
So, more contagious but less deadly, assuming these numbers hold up and are similar elsewhere.

Another question is, how much of the difference from earlier waves is due to vaccines and how much is because Omicron is simply less virulent (if that's the right word).
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Anaxagoras wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:59 pmAnother question is, how much of the difference from earlier waves is due to vaccines and how much is because Omicron is simply less virulent (if that's the right word).
As the paper I cited to WeakPussy, which resulted in his latest incontinent tantrum, explains, absolutely zero:

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NL1M2
“The idea that viruses would evolve and grow stronger to evade vaccines may seem like common sense, but there is no evidence for these claims,” they added.
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Doctor X wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:42 pm
Anaxagoras wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:59 pmAnother question is, how much of the difference from earlier waves is due to vaccines and how much is because Omicron is simply less virulent (if that's the right word).
As the paper I cited to WeakPussy, which resulted in his latest incontinent tantrum, explains, absolutely zero:

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2NL1M2
“The idea that viruses would evolve and grow stronger to evade vaccines may seem like common sense, but there is no evidence for these claims,” they added.
– J.D.
What I meant to say is, is it less harmful because more people are protected by vaccines now than in earlier waves. Not did it evolve to evade vaccines.
The numbers reported from South Africa seem to indicate that fewer people are getting severely ill due to this new variant than in previous waves.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:24 pmWhat I meant to say is, is it less harmful because more people are protected by vaccines now than in earlier waves. Not did it evolve to evade vaccines.
"Jane, you ignorant slut, you!"

I do not have the evidences – no thanks – on whether or not they have compared the difference in infection between the two populations of "those with" and "those without" adequate vaccination, where "adequate" means having had the two shots +/- a booster to give an answer to that question.

Later, I will ask . . . Your Mom!

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Article about a preprint article about COVID-19 and adipose tissue:

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/964500
"The bottom line is, 'Oh my God, indeed, the virus can infect fat cells directly,' " Philipp Scherer, PhD, a scientist who studies fat cells at UT Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, told The New York Times.

"Whatever happens in fat doesn't stay in fat," he said. "It affects the neighboring tissues as well."

In the study, researchers from the Stanford University School of Medicine tested fat tissue from bariatric surgery patients to understand whether they could become infected with the coronavirus. They looked at different types of cells — adipocytes, or fat cells, as well as pre-adipocytes that become fat cells and immune cells called adipose tissue macrophages.

The research team found that the adipocytes could become infected, though they didn't become overly inflamed. But certain immune cell macrophages could be infected and have a major inflammatory response. Beyond that, the pre-adipocytes weren't infected, but they added to the inflammatory response.

The researchers also looked at fat tissue from the bodies of European patients who died from COVID-19 and found the coronavirus in fat around various organs, including the heart and intestines. That could be linked with the organ damage seen in severe COVID-19 patients, they wrote.
For the discerning reader:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 4.465626v1
SARS-CoV-2 infects human adipose tissue and elicits an inflammatory response consistent with severe COVID-19
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Hospital ICU usage at record levels amid Minnesota's COVID-19 wave

Waning immunity in earliest vaccine recipients continues to be growing problem in prolonged pandemic surge.
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The Israel study showed the same thing. The vaccines don't last, or prevent infection, or stop the spread of Covid
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Just take your cod liver oil.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04609423
A randomized, parallel-group treatment, quadruple masked, two-arm study to assess the effectiveness of cod liver oil compared to placebo in the prevention of Covid-19 and airway infections in healthy adults.

In this study, the investigators will investigate whether daily cod liver oil can prevent Covid-19 infections and reduce the severity of such infections. The investigators will also examine whether cod liver oil prevents other airway infections in healthy adults.
Not to be confused with castor oil, which allegedly cures your loss of sense of smell after you get COVID-19.

Also will help to clear your obstructed fundament.
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Ah, well, any cheap brand of chili mac and cheese will do all that! :)
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https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-mark ... ence-glass
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https://www.ideastream.org/news/akron-g ... -19-deaths
Cleveland Clinic Akron General's morgue is so full from the recent COVID-19 surge that hospital officials have started using a refrigerated trailer as a mobile morgue to deal with overflow.
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Dying COVID-19 patients are filling up the morgue, but there is also an indirect cause as well. People are delaying care due to the pandemic and showing up much sicker to the hospital, even those without COVID-19, Harte said.

"It's a combination of a higher number of people passing away in the hospital both directly from COVID-19 and indirectly, because even those that don't have COVID-19 are presenting to the hospital, on average, sicker that patients we've seen in the past," he said.

This isn't the first time that Akron General has used the mobile morgue. They used the refrigerated unit at the beginning of the pandemic, and Harte said when they didn't need it, they passed it along to another Cleveland Clinic hospital that could use it. It holds about 25 bodies.
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Yes. We need to keep in mind that surges in hospitalization will lead to problems beyond those directly attributable to Covid.

People who would otherwise seek medical care may put it off until it is too late.
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Here's some data from South Africa:

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co ... untry=~ZAF

The surge in new infections has not (so far) been accompanied by a surge in new deaths.
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https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/12/ ... -beds.html
Ohio’s top health official said Thursday said that the state will continue to stress “personal responsibility” over issuing public health orders, mask mandates, curfews or any other potential statewide protections as the pandemic continues to batter the Buckeye state at near record numbers.
I will continue to work at home and avoid going to the office.
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https://www.ideastream.org/news/ohio-go ... d-19-surge
Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine on Friday activated 1,050 National Guard members in Ohio to help hospitals throughout the state deal with staffing shortages during the most recent COVID-19 surge.

The National Guard members called in to help are not currently working in healthcare, DeWine said.

“These are not people who we are moving from one hospital to another,” he said. “The General has gone through this with his team very, very carefully.”

Of that 1,050, 150 are highly trained medical personnel, including nurses and EMTs, DeWine said during a press conference Friday announcing the decision.

The remaining 900 will help with patient transport, housekeeping, and food service, according to the governor’s office.
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Paper about Omicron:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 4.472719v3
A striking feature of this variant is the large number of spike mutations3 that pose a threat to the efficacy of current COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) vaccines and antibody therapies4. This concern is amplified by the findings from our study. We found B.1.1.529 to be markedly resistant to neutralization by serum not only from convalescent patients, but also from individuals vaccinated with one of the four widely used COVID-19 vaccines. Even serum from persons vaccinated and boosted with mRNA-based vaccines exhibited substantially diminished neutralizing activity against B.1.1.529.
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What a surprise
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html
The flu virus, which all but disappeared in early 2020, is once again circulating in the United States. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported about 2,500 cases from clinical tests nationwide for the week that ended Dec. 11. That number is typical for this time of year, but it also represents a level of cases that has not been seen since before the coronavirus pandemic.
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Pyrrho wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:24 pm https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html
The flu virus, which all but disappeared in early 2020, is once again circulating in the United States. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported about 2,500 cases from clinical tests nationwide for the week that ended Dec. 11. That number is typical for this time of year, but it also represents a level of cases that has not been seen since before the coronavirus pandemic.
Yeah, the flu definitely seems to be back this year. Mostly H3N2.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/flu_by_age_virus.html
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This Year’s Flu Vaccine Is a ‘Major Mismatch,’ Researcher Says
Dec. 17, 2021 -- Flu vaccines aren’t providing as much as much protection as hoped for against the most widely circulating strain of influenza, a new study says, but it appears the vaccines will still prevent severe illness in people who are infected.

The vaccines were designed far in advance to fight the flu strains expected to dominate the United States during the 2021-22 flu season: H3N2, H1N1, and two strains of influenza B.

H3N2, the major strain, mutated in a way that means the flu vaccines don’t match up against it very well, Scott Hensley, PhD, a professor of microbiology at the University of Pennsylvania who led the study, told CNN.

"From our lab-based studies, it looks like a major mismatch," he said.

That mismatch may have contributed to influenza outbreaks on college campuses.

An outbreak at the University of Michigan affected more than 700 people, with about 26% of those who tested positive having been vaccinated against the flu, according to CNN.

Though vaccines may not stop H3N2, it looks like they’ll prevent serious infection from that strain, the researchers said.

“Studies have clearly shown that seasonal influenza vaccines consistently prevent hospitalizations and deaths even in years where there are large antigenic mismatch,” they wrote on medRxiv, an internet site that publishes reports that are yet to be peer-reviewed.
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SEE?!!!!!1!!

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The good news is that the vaccines improved my 5G reception. The bad news is that all I can get are Cleveland sports talk radio stations.
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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 4.472632v1
Collectively, our results suggest that the progenitor of Omicron jumped from humans to mice, rapidly accumulated mutations conducive to infecting that host, then jumped back into humans, indicating an inter-species evolutionary trajectory for the Omicron outbreak.
https://i.imgur.com/EAQ8HwF.jpg
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https://www.ideastream.org/news/northea ... -data-show

Northeast Ohio counties lead the nation in COVID-19 infection rates newly released data show
Cuyahoga County ranks second in the nation with a rate of 236 cases per 100,000 people – that’s an increase of 215% over the last 14-days, according to the tracker. Lake County has 152 cases per 100,000 people, an 82% increase over that same time period.

Cuyahoga County is fourth in the nation in the average daily number of infections, trailing counties with much larger cities than Cleveland, including New York, Los Angeles, and Cook County, Illinois, home to Chicago.
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Pyrrho wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:00 pm https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 4.472632v1
Collectively, our results suggest that the progenitor of Omicron jumped from humans to mice, rapidly accumulated mutations conducive to infecting that host, then jumped back into humans, indicating an inter-species evolutionary trajectory for the Omicron outbreak.
https://i.imgur.com/EAQ8HwF.jpg
We need to mask mice!

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Doctor X wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:16 am
Pyrrho wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:00 pm https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 4.472632v1
Collectively, our results suggest that the progenitor of Omicron jumped from humans to mice, rapidly accumulated mutations conducive to infecting that host, then jumped back into humans, indicating an inter-species evolutionary trajectory for the Omicron outbreak.
https://i.imgur.com/EAQ8HwF.jpg
We need to mask mice!

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Yeah...about those masks...

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... contagious
With another coronavirus variant racing across the U.S., once again health authorities are urging people to mask up indoors. Yes, you've heard it all before. But given how contagious omicron is, experts say, it's seriously time to upgrade to an N95 or similar high-filtration respirator when you're in public indoor spaces.

"Cloth masks are not going to cut it with omicron," says Linsey Marr, a researcher at Virginia Tech who studies how viruses transmit in the air.
Cloth masks wouldn't have cut it before omicron either.
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Some charts and graphs.

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visu ... /#variants