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Unless I am missing it, it says that it is a "high risk" if you "stop routinely" wearing face masks, without any source for this conclusion. The sources listed include the NYT, so that is "people whom I agree with say."

It would be more convincing if there was a circle at "Low Risk" with "wears mask routinely" – indoors/outdoors/during oral sex – with an actual scientific source.

Though:

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Yeah I couldn't look at any of it for very long.
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...and of course the conspiracy theorists are pushing this garbage:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-330111634396
CLAIM: COVID-19 vaccines are causing a new illness called “VAIDS,” short for vaccine acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. VAIDS isn’t a real condition, nor do COVID-19 vaccines cause a syndrome matching this description, an immunotherapy expert confirmed to The Associated Press.

THE FACTS: Doctors and activists with a history of spreading anti-vaccine misinformation are spreading fear about COVID-19 vaccines by falsely claiming the shots cause a new medical condition called vaccine acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.
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The hospital has been filled with suffers of the immunity deficiency since the late 1980's, Pyrrho.

EXPLAIN THAT!!!

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I disagree.

They would have mask mandates.

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Doctor X wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:17 am I disagree.

They would have mask mandates.

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And the vaccine would evolute have cause the variationz .
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Of course.

If you accept evolution!

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Pyrrho wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:35 pm Some charts and graphs.

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visu ... /#variants
How did the UAE manage to get 102.7% of its population vaccinated? Unless they just count boosters too and keep adding it to the total as if it were another person, but then the meaning of the data becomes unclear.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:21 am
Pyrrho wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:35 pm Some charts and graphs.

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visu ... /#variants
How did the UAE manage to get 102.7% of its population vaccinated? Unless they just count boosters too and keep adding it to the total as if it were another person, but then the meaning of the data becomes unclear.
I don't like a lot of what they have on that page. Lurid graphics often don't tell the story correctly and that's one example.
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Link: https://twitter.com/AstorAaron/status/1475968116727369732?t=HHmBD7o2Ux2AwAbbhdVElA&s=19

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Obviously we need a fifth booster
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Maybe a shot every six weeks will do it
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The people who opine that vaccines are causing new mutations and that natural immunity is better fail to understand that viruses mutate with or without vaccination.
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Opinions from a mask guy.

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https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/965665

Pre-Omicron COVID-19 Transmission Three Times Higher Among Unvaccinated
People with breakthrough cases of COVID-19 earlier this year were much less likely than unvaccinated COVID-19 patients to infect others, a population-based study from Germany shows.

The findings are based on data collected until August 2021, before the Omicron variant emerged.

"The number of transmissions from unvaccinated controls was three times higher than from fully vaccinated patients," Lea Hsu of Public Health Department Cologne and Aachen University and colleagues write in Vaccines. "Fully vaccinated (infected persons) showed a lower viral load, less frequent symptoms, and, above all, a significantly reduced risk of transmission."

"To effectively end the pandemic, vaccination should be encouraged until herd immunity may be achieved," the authors advise.
Link to the published study article:
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/11/1267
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Link: https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1476232714328154127

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Pyrrho wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:21 pm The people who opine that vaccines are causing new mutations and that natural immunity is better fail to understand that viruses mutate with or without vaccination.
But that would mean they are wrong. Can't have that.
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And to correct that they would have to read the scientific literature.

Horrors.

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Doctor X wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:57 pm And to correct that they would have to read the scientific literature.

Horrors.

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You don’t mess around with this Omicron

It’s not as bad as the common cold, but it still sucks getting it
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Omicron variant leads to less severe symptoms, deaths, new study says
A new study out of South Africa found that patients hospitalized with COVID-19 during the omicron wave suffered fewer severe COVID-19 symptoms and were less likely to die.

The researchers compared South Africa’s COVID-19 waves in summer 2020, winter 2020 and spring 2021 to assess how the omicron variant compared.

Per USA Today, here’s how the numbers break down:
  • Seventy-four percent of hospitalized patients needed oxygen therapy during the delta variant’s wave. Only 17.6% needed it during the omicron wave.
  • The median days for staying at a hospital before omicron was eight days. Now, that number is three days.
  • The death rate dropped from 29.1% with delta to 2.7% with omicron.
Pretty good news. I guess we'll see whether this holds true in other countries, but I don't know why it wouldn't.
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There's also animal studies pointing to why omicron may be less harmful than earlier variants:

Studies: Omicron less severe as it mostly avoids attacking lungs
Series of experiments on mice, hamsters all reach conclusion that new coronavirus strain mainly manifests in upper airway, causing fewer breathing problems

A series of recently published studies found the Omicron variant may be less severe than other coronavirus strains because of the way it attacks the lungs, according to Friday reports.

Studies on mice and hamsters found that Omicron produced less damaging infections to the lungs, and instead was limited largely to the nose, throat, and windpipe, The New York Times reported.

Previous variants would cause scarring in the lungs and serious breathing difficulty.
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News coverage on hospitalizations in the US is mixed. Here's some of the headlines I saw:

Omicron sending children to hospital in record numbers (The Hill)
The highly transmissible omicron variant of COVID-19 is sending waves of children to the hospital in record numbers, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) latest data.

The week of Dec. 22 to Dec. 28 was the highest spike yet of COVID-19 hospitalizations for children up to 17 years old, the CDC tracker shows. More than 370 children are currently hospitalized daily, a 66 percent increase from the week prior.

Doctors have called the omicron-fueled surge "heartbreaking," telling The Associated Press that low vaccination numbers among children during the outbreak are concerning.
This is true in the US: kids have the lowest vaccination rates. Furthermore, a greater share of kids are obese now:
Study: Childhood obesity in U.S. accelerated during pandemic
NEW YORK (AP) — A new study ties the COVID-19 pandemic to an “alarming” increase in obesity in U.S. children and teenagers.

Childhood obesity has been increasing for decades, but the new work suggests an acceleration last year — especially in those who already were obese when the pandemic started.

The results signal a “profound increase in weight gain for kids” and are “substantial and alarming,” said one of the study’s authors, Dr. Alyson Goodman of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

It’s also a sign of a vicious cycle. The pandemic appears to be worsening the nation’s longstanding obesity epidemic, and obesity can put people at risk for more severe illness after coronavirus infection.

The CDC on Thursday released the study, which is the largest yet to look at obesity trends during the pandemic.

It found:

—An estimated 22% of children and teens were obese last August, up from 19% a year earlier.

—Before the pandemic, children who were a healthy weight were gaining an average of 3.4 pounds a year. That rose to 5.4 pounds during the pandemic.

—For kids who were moderately obese, expected weight gain rose from 6.5 pounds a year before the pandemic to 12 pounds after the pandemic began.

—For severely obese kids, expected annual weight gain went from 8.8 pounds to 14.6 pounds.

The rate of obesity increased most dramatically in kids ages 6 to 11, who are more dependent on their parents and may have been more affected when schools suspended in-person classes, the researchers said.
The cancelling of in-person schooling seems to be a big factor here. Schools typically have PE classes, but just getting out of the house may be more important. Kids may also have more opportunities to snack between meals when they are at home.

And obesity is a problem that could last long after the pandemic is over. Kids who are obese tend to become adults who are obese when they grow up.

New Jersey:
COVID hospitalizations in New Jersey reach highest level since pandemic's first wave in May 2020
There were 3,864 people hospitalized with COVID in New Jersey on Thursday night, the highest level since the initial wave of the pandemic back in May of 2020.

The state also reported 37 more COVID-related deaths on Friday, bringing the total for the pandemic to just over 29,000.

The state on Friday also closed out 2021 reporting 28,512 new cases of COVID confirmed by PCR tests — a new record and the third straight day with new cases topping 20,000. Another 6,105 probable cases were identified through antigen tests.

Taking care of the patients with COVID who need hospitalization has been complicated by the surge in COVID illness among employees in the state's 71 hospitals.

The state reported 781 new cases of COVID among employees Thursday, also new record, and well above the high point of 162 new daily cases during the surge in January. When workers test positive they must quarantine for seven days, making it harder for hospitals to care for the growing number of patients.
Florida:
Florida COVID update: Single-day case increase record shattered as hospitalizations rise

Virginia:
Hospitalizations increasing among the vaccinated, unvaccinated
Omicron is “increasing hospitalization especially among the unvaccinated, but also among the vaccinated,” he said. “In terms of numbers, the increased infectivity means a lot more people will likely become infected, which increases the possibility of getting seriously ill and even dying, even for those who are fully vaccinated.”
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Even though the number of patients who’ve been vaccinated has risen at MWHC hospitals, the majority of people being treated for virus symptoms aren’t vaccinated, as the governor suggested. That’s particularly true among younger people; as of Friday, 51 of the 63 patients under 65 in MWHC facilities had not been vaccinated.

Among the 12 patients in that age group who were fully vaccinated, none had gotten booster shots, according to the chart.

Data from the Virginia Department of Health shows that even with the impact from delta and omicron, people who aren’t vaccinated are getting infected, hospitalized and dying at rates four times higher than those who have been vaccinated.
On the other hand, I also see stories like this one:
Hospitalizations ‘decoupling’ from COVID counts as severity is not surging with cases (Hawaii)
HONOLULU (KHON2) — As Hawaii COVID case counts rise, hospitalizations are not going up at the same pace — a trend seen elsewhere in the world where the omicron wave hit before Hawaii.
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With several thousand cases a day, Hawaii is bracing for a worst-case scenario if hospitals become overrun. Hospitalizations tend to lag positive counts as much as two weeks.

Yet, with more than 21,000 cases in just two weeks, the hospital count on Dec. 31 was 141 — 18 in ICU and 10 on ventilators.

“It does follow what we see on other places that have been exposed to omicron prior to us, like South Africa or in Europe,” explained University of Hawaii Manoa Professor Monique Chyba with HiPAM. “Hospitalizations are lesser than they were with Delta.”

The Hawaii Pandemic Applied Modeling Work Group (HiPAM) is a team of Hawaii scientists, mathematicians and epidemiologists modeling COVID trends. They show a sky-high projection for case counts that have been largely right-on, but hospitalizations are lower than even their most optimistic forecasts, and even they are wondering why.
Hawaii may be a bit of an outlier here, due to its warm weather. I don't know to what extent that plays a role.
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It will eventually come out, the newest variant might not show up with a rapid test for Covid

Not enough virus in the nasal cavity
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Even when you are sick as fuck with it

This was also true with the variant from 2020 that only gave you body aches as a symptom
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Says the guy that invented the mRNA treatments
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The new phrase that people are abusing each other with is "mass formation psychosis", which seems like a diagnosis to me, given that it uses the term "psychosis", but I am not qualified.

Now trending on Twitter amongst folks who are better than everybody else.

It is explained on this page by Dr. Malone, who talked about it on a Joe Rogan show. I don't know anything more about it, other than that various people are citing it to support their own positions; I did not listen to the show and I have not read this article.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/mass- ... -psychosis
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robinson wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:58 pm Says the guy that invented the mRNA treatments
"The guy". Nobody else was involved I suppose. He did it all by himself.

About that

Clearly he was involved in some of the basic research that eventually led to mRNA vaccines decades later. But the sole inventor of mRNA vaccines? No. Many hundreds of scientists were involved in that effort. His contribution was an important one, but hardly the only indispensable part of the puzzle. Now he is embittered and claims that he hasn't been given the credit he deserves.
The abridged version is that when Malone was a graduate student in biology in the late 1980s at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, he injected genetic material—DNA and RNA—into the cells of mice in hopes of creating a new kind of vaccine. He was the first author on a 1989 paper demonstrating how RNA could be delivered into cells using lipids, which are basically tiny globules of fat, and a co-author on a 1990 Science paper showing that if you inject pure RNA or DNA into mouse muscle cells, it can lead to the transcription of new proteins. If the same approach worked for human cells, the latter paper said in its conclusion, this technology “may provide alternative approaches to vaccine development.”

These two studies do indeed represent seminal work in the field of gene transfer, according to Rein Verbeke, a postdoctoral fellow at Ghent University, in Belgium, and the lead author of a 2019 history of mRNA-vaccine development. (Indeed, Malone’s studies are the first two references in Verbeke’s paper, out of 224 in total.) Verbeke told me he believes that Malone and his co-authors “sparked for the first time the hope that mRNA could have potential as a new drug class,” though he also notes that “the achievement of the mRNA vaccines of today is the accomplishment of a lot of collaborative efforts.”

Malone says he deserves credit for more than just sparking hope. He dropped out of graduate school in 1988, just short of his Ph.D., and went to work at a pharmaceutical company called Vical. Now he claims that both the Salk Institute and Vical profited from his work and essentially prevented him from further pursuing his research. (A Salk Institute spokesperson said that nothing in the institute’s records substantiates Malone’s allegations. The biotech company into which Vical was merged, Brickell, did not respond to requests for comment.) To say that Malone remains bitter over this perceived mistreatment doesn’t do justice to his sense of aggrievement. He calls what happened to him “intellectual rape.”

One target of Malone’s ire, the biochemist Katalin Karikó, has been featured in multiple news stories as an mRNA-vaccine pioneer. CNN called her work “the basis of the Covid-19 vaccine” while a New York Times headline said she had “helped shield the world from the coronavirus.” None of those stories mentioned Malone. “I’ve been written out of the history,” he has said. “It’s all about Kati.” Karikó shared with me an email that Malone sent her in June, accusing her of feeding reporters bogus information and inflating her own accomplishments. “This is not going to end well,” Malone’s message says.

Karikó replied that she hadn’t told anyone that she is the inventor of mRNA vaccines and that “many many scientists” contributed to their success. “I have never claimed more than discovering a way to make RNA less inflammatory,” she wrote to him. She told me that Malone referred to himself in an email as her “mentor” and “coach,” though she says they’ve met in person only once, in 1997, when he invited her to give a talk. It’s Malone, according to Karikó, who has been overstating his accomplishments. There are “hundreds of scientists who contributed more to mRNA vaccines than he did.”
So there you have it. A guy with an enormous ego feels slighted that other people are taking the limelight for his "invention" and is lashing out with predictable bitterness.
It’s only in the curious world of fringe media that Malone has found the platform, and the recognition, he’s sought for so long. He talks to hosts who aren’t going to question whether he’s the brains behind the Pfizer and Moderna shots. They’re not going to quibble over whether credit should be shared with co-authors, or talk about how science is like a relay race, or point out that, absent the hard work of brilliant researchers who came before and after Malone, there would be no vaccine. He’s an upgrade over their typical guest list of chiropractors and naturopaths, and they’re perfectly happy to address him by the title he believes he’s earned: inventor of the mRNA vaccines.

The irony is that, to the audiences who tune in to those shows, the vaccines are seen as a scourge rather than a godsend. No matter how nuanced Malone might try to be, or how many qualifiers he appends to his opinions, he is egging on vaccine hesitancy at a time when hospitals in the least-vaccinated parts of the country are struggling to cope with an influx of new COVID-19 patients. If you want proof of that, scroll through the many comments from his followers thanking him for confirming their fears. Malone has finally made his mark, by undermining confidence in the very vaccine he says wouldn’t be possible without his genius. It’s a victory, of sorts, but one that he and the rest of us may come to regret.
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The Big Brother narrative writ large
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Yeah the world sure needs another abusive jerk.
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Big Brother will protect us!

The video has already been wiped from the internet
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Soon the Doctor will be on the memory hole as well
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Citing this guy with regard to "mass transform psychosis" is a classic appeal to authority fallacy. He is unqualified to diagnose psychosis, much less in a badly-written blog post that qualifies under Godwin's Law. At best, he is enabling abusive behavior for fame and fortune. It is just as shitty as calling people "Covidiots!"

As to this:
A Salk Institute spokesperson said that nothing in the institute’s records substantiates Malone’s allegations. The biotech company into which Vical was merged, Brickell, did not respond to requests for comment.
When one works for a pharmaceutical company, or any company for that matter, the company owns what you produce on the job. That is called "work for hire" and that's how it is. You work, you get paid on the basis of whatever you agreed to when you took the job, and beyond that, the company does not owe you a goddamned thing.

Yeah, yeah, he can be the darling of whoever among the talking heads and stuffed-shirt politicians will have him and "make his pile" until the next opportunist comes along with another song and dance on the theme of "Wake up, sheeple!"
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Well that doesn't look like "a ton" of firearms but I think I would know better than to lean them against a Mustang like that.