Climate Change/Global Warming Hysteria with graphs!

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:12 pm

Shut the fuck up you moron

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:12 pm

Show us on the doll where the internet hurt you

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:13 pm

I made him say that

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:13 pm

I guess one good thing about not having an ass, is that you can never be butthurt

Surprise · Post by **Surprise** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:01 pm

robinson wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:41 am Oh, I am counting on it.

Trolling.

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:59 am

Surprise wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:39 am You did everything except back up your claim.

No, he didn't do anything. Not a single thing.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:10 am

That’s actually true

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:59 pm

robinson wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:08 pm The biggest obstacle is the impeachment of the witness, or witnesses.

Have you considered the possibility nobody understands what you are saying?

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:11 pm

That's always a difficult thing to establish.

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:53 am

robinson wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:26 am At least I don’t use sock puppets

You can't say that anymore

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:53 am

You are really annoying.

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:54 am

Since I am based on you, what does that tell you? About you?

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Thu Jun 18, 2020 6:48 pm

It tells me you need to have your power supply removed

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:39 am

Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:45 am

Can’t you be serious?

gnome · Post by **gnome** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:00 pm

robinson wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:45 am Can’t you be serious?

:doglaugh:

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:54 pm

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:05 pm

The simplest thing involving weather, which leads to climate, might be snow

Sure, rain, wind, sunshine hours, clouds and temperature also seem simple, but snow has a special place in climate.

Ice forming on bodies of water might be even simpler, but much harder to measure, and way less data

Snow on the other hand, has a multitude of information, and there is a lot more of it to study

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:13 pm

Frost, freezes, and hard freezes also tell us a lot about climate. Because of agriculture and the laws of physics, they are like snow, pretty hard for any current global warming expert to impeach.

(Not that they don’t try)

I know, I know, boring as fuck. There isn’t much to be done about this

It’s the goddamn weather, most people don’t farm and unless you ski/snowboard, most people just have other shit to think about

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:32 pm

The defining moment for me, was simply watching the weather report in DC after the second blizzard shut everything down in the US capital

And I mean everything was shut down

The US post office was shut down for the first time in history

Of course the two news anchors were looking forward to the weather guy when he started his report

He was sitting at the news desk with them

Outside everything was quiet, not a single vehicle was moving, and a snow blower wasn’t going to work on the four feet of snow

Some places had more, some less, but it was a fuckton of snow

It was more snow than almost anyone had ever experienced

So when he told the world “but it wasn’t even a record breaker”, the anchors heads swiveled, there jaws dropped, everything went off script for a moment

The anchors actually interrupted him! An unplanned moment, it was fucking epic

He stammered and explained quickly that the snow records have to come from somewhere and that Reagan National is where they measure the official snow measurements are and blah blah blah

The anchors composed themselves and let it drop

But any rational person could see this was some seriously fucked up bullshit going down

Now of course there is more to the story

It was an unheard of back to back blizzards, with heavy bands of snow from the second one, so the snow depth varied

And the second on fell on top of the 2 to 3 feet of powder from the first one, and the second blizzard was wet snow, not powder, but the ordinary person knew what was outside, and nobody was going to buy that there was no record being broke

And this sad fucking little story started my long descent into madness

The truth was out there, and I had to know

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:41 pm

Dude, nobody cares. I mean, you created me, and even I don't care

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:42 pm

You are under the delusion that I don't know this.

Surprise · Post by **Surprise** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:11 pm

Has there been global cooling over the last 30 years?

No.

https://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti/from:1990/to:2020

Surprise · Post by **Surprise** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:20 am

Way to kill a thread.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:30 pm

Been too busy

I thought the lockdown would mean a shit ton of time at home

Turned out meant even more money and work

Don’t worry, graphs and science and shit will come

robinson2 · Post by **robinson2** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:49 am

He's not kidding. You can't imagine how many graphs and science shit he has on multiple computers. He's a freak

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:22 pm

Don’t forget the snowfall data

gnome · Post by **gnome** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:43 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:58 pm 23 pages is a pretty good run for a thread that was dead on arrival.

so robinson wins, but it kind of doesn't count because it's 100% his game from OP forward.

And it will never die as long as electrons flow through robinson's "brain". :)

"Win" by exhaustion. Not an actual evidence based result.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:59 pm

I haven’t even really started

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:01 pm

ed wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:36 pm I am contentious by nature.

I need the moral equivilent of double blind, peer reviewed and replicated. If not its bullshit .

"Considered" is a weasel word that has no place in my lexicon.

I agree with you. Something I found early in was a serious lack of the scientific method when it comes to the BGWT

And related matters

It bothered me

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:02 pm

A real theory makes predictions, and is clear about what experiments or observations of reality would support or destroy the theory

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:04 pm

It’s interesting (to me of course) that the BGWT was destroyed three times, but is once again on the table

sparks · Post by **sparks** » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:34 pm

What is this horseshit BGWT of which you speak? I just searched it up and even Googly didn't know...Therefore methinks you're, once again, full of shit.

Please prove me wrong.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:15 pm

Surprise wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:14 am
robinson wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:19 pm Probably the same reason why the actual data for temperature is so hard to get
It's not hard to get. It's publicly available and you can download all you want. Knock yourself out.

The BEST project was intended to prove the science wrong and the temperature statistics false. In the end it had to conclude the scientists were right and the 'skeptics' were wrong.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:25 pm

It’s hard jumping into long topic with terminology and shit like that, I understand. I explained early on, but of course you missed it.

Scientist are really annoying because they abbreviate shit, which saves a lot of time, but fucking hell if you don’t know what they are saying

robinson wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:54 am Putting these to rest
A) Doubt that a warming trend is occurring at all.

The question is not exact enough for an answer.

B)Agree that there is a warming trend but doubt that it is significantly driven by human activity

Can’t be answered for same reason

C)Agree that there is a warming trend that is significantly driven by human activity, but that we are choosing the wrong solutions.

Can’t be answered same reason.

“A warming trend” is not scientific. My skepticism is specific, about many things being claimed, based on the basic global warming theory. BGWT

Claims about the BGWT, using computer models, and even old fashioned calculations, were the first thing I looked at.

In the ten years since that epic winter, a lot more data has been gathered. One thing that BGWT definitely predicts (not a projection) is the most warming will be observed in winter, with the most warming happening over land, at extra tropical latitudes, and high elevations. And at night.

This is simple to explain. CO2 caused warming (carbon) is supposed to be happening where water vapor (WV) isn’t overwhelming any carbon effect. WV usually dominates any carbon heating, the original objection to the BGWT

Plass and others brought the theory back showing a carbon effect at high altitudes, where the dry air is free from WV, and this led to calculations and the BGWT coming back as the main driver of climate change (explaining the ice ages)

So while the ice ages were once again explained by the BGWT, a water vapor feedback was added to try and explain some of the unsolved parts of the theory.

The biggest problem was, and still is, how can an ice age start the glacier building phase when carbon is at the peak levels? Just because the AGW theory replaced BGWT as the dominating factor, did not make this huge problem go away.

If you are objecting already to these statements, which is most often the case, you may get be in over your head already.

Have you ever run across BP, or RCYBP? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
It’s like there is this barrier so if you are not in the club, good luck keeping up

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:25 pm

TLDR

BGWT = basic global warming theory

http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-101/

Surprise · Post by **Surprise** » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:24 pm

If I just play dumb, then no one can ever prove anything to me.

"“A warming trend” is not scientific. " It is scientific, it is being measured now. Look up the BEST project. I doubt you will because you put all your energy into being a lazy cynic and not actually working at learning anything.

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:50 am

I have a ton of Best graphics, and have followed them since the start

robinson · Post by **robinson** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:52 am

And, I fixed my computer, the one I lost right after I started this topic

The problem is time and energy

Plus knowing nothing is going to change a believer, especially not facts and science

gnome · Post by **gnome** » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:16 am

robinson wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:52 am And, I fixed my computer, the one I lost right after I started this topic

The problem is time and energy

Plus knowing nothing is going to change a believer, especially not facts and science

Our Quixotic way has often been to try anyhow. I still think there's value in the effort.