Relativity puzzle

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robinson wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:45 am The real puzzle is when you realize the lab can be the stationary object and the observer is moving. And the math is exactly the same.
This is a basic part of the theory. Since there is no way to actually say, or know, who is moving or at rest, (everyone is actually), and the idealized rest state or observer location is a fiction, used to do maths, it doesn't matter which you say is moving.

The math is the same.

The perceived motion of the lab, (with the mirrors, the light, the time and distance), it is all dependant on the observer. And it doesn't matter if the lab is "stationary" and the observe is moving, the calculations are the same.
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robinson wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:26 am
robinson wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:45 am The real puzzle is when you realize the lab can be the stationary object and the observer is moving. And the math is exactly the same.
This is a basic part of the theory. Since there is no way to actually say, or know, who is moving or at rest, (everyone is actually), and the idealized rest state or observer location is a fiction, used to do maths, it doesn't matter which you say is moving.

The math is the same.

The perceived motion of the lab, (with the mirrors, the light, the time and distance), it is all dependant on the observer. And it doesn't matter if the lab is "stationary" and the observe is moving, the calculations are the same.
You already wrote that, twice, and I still don't disagree,

Yet no math. Prove your claim that it is "exactly the same" or admit that you're unable to do it.
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Whatever the relative velocity of the observer is, just plug it in

You can have multiple observers at different velocities, observing the same lab

Each observer gets a different answer
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Just show how it's done.
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Just re-invent the wheel
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The observer in the moving lab sees the exact same thing if the stationary observer also has mirrors and a light, and the moving lab is measuring the distance looking at the unmoving observer


The math is exactly the same
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Which is from the theory of relativity
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Argumentum ad nauseam?
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Let’s cut to the chase

Does an observer in the lab see clocks running slower for the non moving observer! There is another light mirror set up where the non moving observer is

What does the lab observer see? The non moving observer appears to be moving

Which they are of course, relative to the lab
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Balls in your court


It’s a simple question
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robinson wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:52 am Balls in your court
:lmao:
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Avoidance noted
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Lol.

Still nothing, eh?
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It’s all relative man
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Re: Relativity puzzle

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I think you're letting yourself be trolled Witness. I'll admit that I just don't know how to do the math.
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Trolling robinson is never a good idea


You think you will get a bite (trolling in the sense of fishing for attention), but what actually happens is a great white eats your entire boat
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I’ve read Einstein and a lot of works on his theories, the reciprocal math is a fundamental thing, that is called In physics, the principle of relativity. It is the requirement that the equations describing the laws of physics have the same form in all admissible frames of reference.

I say the math used to calculate is the same for both frames of reference, in this puzzle.
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Now I could be wrong, but I very much doubt it
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Anaxagoras wrote: Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:52 pm I think you're letting yourself be trolled Witness. I'll admit that I just don't know how to do the math.
Made me laugh. Hint: I don't interact with Roby outside of this thread.
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And for that we are all grateful