Why and how I know fraudulent climate data when I see it

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THAT'S YOUR FUCKING JOB YOU IDIOT!
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:De_Bunk:
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robinson wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:55 am One of theses days I am going to take a day off and post more data
Promises promises
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Point made
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Well I had some downtime and started doing the work to post evidence, and of course the wife wasn’t having that


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Unless they are involved, they can’t stand it
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Of course, but that is no excuse for not doing the work
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Do you have any idea how much time and effort is involved?


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I can document exactly how much time is involved, effort is another matter.
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OK, how much time does it take to show how the record cold and snow in Texas, in February, was not due to warming?
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To show you? About 15 seconds.
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No, to show some idiot who thinks it is because it was warmer.
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There is no answer to that. You could spend years and it won't matter, not even a little bit. It's like trying to use logic to explain why there is no giant Sky Daddy running the show. If somebody believes that, there is no amount of time and effort that will matter.
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THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT YOU IDIOT!
robinson wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:42 am Even if it is shown, it literally won't matter
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But what about somebody undecided, or mildly curious, or maybe even a skeptic?
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About an hour.
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That's way too much fucking time
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You got that right. Look at the early post in the thread. Didn't even raise an eyebrow. These fuckers are insane, no amount of reason will matter.
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Post your evidence or don’t post it. I will read it and consider it, but I’m not going to kiss your ass to get you to do it. I’m sure others will look in as well, but no one should have to beg you to do it.
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I already did


That’s the humor of it
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Let me spoon feed it
robinson wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:35 am Now 100 years is a pretty good data set, and the Dale Enterprise station is a really good station for data. It's not had a station move, it's not been urbanized (no UHI to contend with), and even when the sensors were updated in 1996, they kept both electronic records and the old mercury thermometers, to compare the data. (the electronic sensors caused a warming bias) It's also run by the same family that started measuring 150 years ago, and they are anal about record keeping.

The Staunton WTP is close to Dale E, and while not as quality as Dale E, it's quite interesting.

The Lewisburg WV station is close enough that it shows similar trend data, which is fucking awesome. No seriously, if you are suffering to read all this, (and I understand, it is suffering), you will get to see something almost nobody else in the world knows about. Natural cycles, that show up in actual data. Clearly. These cycles actually were discovered a long time ago, and they even have names. If you only read the fake climate news, you would never know this.

I know, I know, too many posts. Fuck off.

If that is your complaint you are in the wrong place.


So anyhow, that's December 2009, a very short version. I only included it this time because of what is going on at the moment. It's puking snow again, and while it's not the same as the 2009 blizzard, it doesn't matter. It certainly isn't snowing like a motherfucker right now because it's warm. (temps are in the teens and low 20s)

This theme is going to be repeated. Like, a lot. I should shorten it. ISMWIIC (it snows more when it is colder)

If you are going to counter with ISMBIIW (it snows more because it is warmer), or with ISMWIIW, (see above), you probably should know that I coined those phrases. You have been warned. If you are going to argue that ISMBIIW, that is an argument I created, as satire.

Heh. There is a good chance the trolls will not read this deep in (who can blame them?) When they use those words, it will be fucking awesome.

Yes we are going to get to Feb 2010

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Once again we see that it's not a warming trend that ends up with a record snow dump

This theme will show up over and over and over (and it won't matter at all)

There is another "reasons" that will show up, and it's easy enough to debunk. It goes like this

"Because it is warmer there is more precipitation, so more snow"

If that were the case, I wouldn't even be arguing about this. But it's not the case.

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Dec 2020


There’s lots more


Nobody, and I mean nobody responded


It’s hilarious
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The fraud is the morons claiming it snowed so much because it’s warmer

Along with the blatant lie of “more precipitation caused more snow“, which is a lie
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These points are the easiest to show

With actual evidence

The more convoluted fraud is much harder to follow
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We’d have to determine what scale is really important, and how much data is necessary to show significance. Given the myriad variables in climate, being careful not to cherry pick is really important. Don’t you think?
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It’s always important to not only avoid cherry picking, but to make your work easy to replicate so others can check it

The easiest person to fool is yourself
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The second easiest person is another researcher who shares your blind spot, or political views
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ter-storms

“The so-called Snowmageddon of February 2010 also saw unusually high surface temperatures in the Atlantic, with temperatures up to 3F above normal that led to exceptional amounts of moisture being fed into the circulation of the storm and resulted in exceptional snow amounts in the Washington DC area.“

This is the fraud that turned me into a skeptic about the claims being made concerning climate change
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This is a simple version, from the other topic
robinson wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:27 am And to keep it simple for the quotes

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That is an example. The same thing shows up in almost every heavy snow event. It’s not record amounts of precipitation, it’s colder temperatures that cause heavy snow, record amounts of snow, huge snow events.

This is the case for geographic locations where it’s temperature that matters, in regards to snow.

However, that’s not the case everywhere, which is why it’s not simplistic, snow is not a simple thing, because other locations it does matter how much water there is to create snow. Those locations are not the same, it’s not all the same everywhere.

I note this because I am honest and open about what the data shows, I have no interest in conning anyone
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The key is understanding the snow ratio
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robinson wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:19 am So first things first, as we await the data to come in on the current blizzard in the US of A

December 2009

At the time it was not easy to graph the data, in fact it was a royal pain in the ass to show it in a meaningful way. Fortune favors the patient


I try to use station data that has a 100 years of data, with no missing data, and no UHI to deal with. In this case, these three stations are pretty good for showing the situation.

(edit) Crap. Unless I insert image it doesn't show up in a quoted post.

Fuck

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Fortune also favors the lazy. As I suspected, uploaded images may not stick around here. I have to host them elsewhere and link to them, another level of effort and time. Fuck.
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robinson wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:35 am Yes we are going to get to Feb 2010

download/file.php?mode=view&id=10780

download/file.php?mode=view&id=10779

Once again we see that it's not a warming trend that ends up with a record snow dump

This theme will show up over and over and over (and it won't matter at all)

There is another "reasons" that will show up, and it's easy enough to debunk. It goes like this

"Because it is warmer there is more precipitation, so more snow"

If that were the case, I wouldn't even be arguing about this. But it's not the case.

download/file.php?mode=view&id=10782
Yep, all the images are gone.
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Once again, laziness and procrastination are my friend.
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robinson wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:30 pm
I wasn't around for the early part of the thread - the update has me reviewing the earlier data.

Thanks for the resource.