The Covid vaccines really do work

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Pyrrho wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:32 pmI'm a bit dismayed at how so many people consider medical science to be some simple, easy thing that anybody can figure out. It isn't.
Nobody is talking about “medical science”

It’s about the experimental mRNA treatments

The data from the real world

And the liars who always lie because of money and power

If people are calling out a new aircraft because it is crashing and killing people

You do not respond by saying you are dismayed that “so many people think aircraft science is simple and easy to figure out”
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Well, maybe you do if you are a stockholder in the company

But it’s not a valid response
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Well if the Wuhan Flu factory would stop production of variants we'd be cool by now.
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Pfizer CEO says an omicron-specific vaccine will be ready in March.

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Because when something doesn’t work, do more of it
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Pyrrho wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:31 pm

I have no idea, really. All I can do is the best I can with the information I have at the time. I can't keep up with conspiracy theories and AHA!!! takes on any of this.
As Dr. X reminded me in another thread, the term "hospitalized covid patients" is vague because it includes both people hospitalized "for" covid and those hospitalized "with" covid.

It is abundantly clear now that being vaccinated doesn't mean you won't catch the virus anymore. However, it does still mean that your likelihood of having severe covid is reduced. In the omicron wave, a growing proportion of those hospitalized "with" covid are people who were hospitalized for other reasons, but who test positive (because they have to test everyone who they admit).

The information is sometimes buried deep in stories with alarming headlines focused on the total numbers:

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/ ... 155390002/
Many hospitalized patients who have COVID were admitted to the hospital because of other medical conditions. Of the 6,075 currently hospitalized with COVID, 2,963 of them — about 49% — are hospitalized primarily because of their COVID diagnosis. The rest were hospitalized for other reasons, and then tested positive for COVID in the hospital.
On the downside, this influx of patients also coincides with a shortage of staff, who must stay home for 5 days if they test positive.
But those with COVID who are hospitalized for other illnesses still pose a complication for hospitals, since they must be isolated in COVID-only parts of the hospital, away from other patients. In addition, COVID becomes a condition that could exacerbate their principal diagnosis, Persichilli said.

Among those hospitalized are 82 children with COVID, though the virus was the primary diagnosis for 27 of them, Persichilli said.

Even as they must deal with growing numbers of patients, hospitals are also grappling with serious staff depletions due to COVID. On Sunday, there were 340 new infections among staff, who must then isolate at home for five days. That comes on the heels of 469 new cases Saturday, and 586, 853 and 851 new cases in the previous days.
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Pyrrho wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:56 pm Pfizer CEO says an omicron-specific vaccine will be ready in March.
Prediction: by March, Omicron will be old news, since everyone already will have had it, and either the pandemic will be effectively over (the optimistic scenario) or we'll be on to the next "variant of concern" (the pessimistic scenario).
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WRAL News: Increased COVID hospitalization numbers may not tell full story.
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/increa ... /20072074/
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Pyrrho wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:54 pm Well if the Wuhan Flu factory would stop production of variants we'd be cool by now.
Blame Pfizer and the rest of Big Pharma what created them with their vaccines. . . .

– J.D.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:44 amIt is abundantly clear now that being vaccinated doesn't mean you won't catch the virus anymore. However, it does still mean that your likelihood of having severe covid is reduced.
THIS! THIS! THIS! これだよ!

Well, also
As Dr. X reminded me. . . .
– J.D.
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"The number of people hospitalized with COVID on Monday was 3,850, which is about the same as the height of the Delta wave in September. But the number of patients in the ICU with COVID has dropped from 934 to 706, a 24% decrease in ICU admissions."

Obviously the vaccines are working
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Now, thanks to the vaccines, we are starting to get accurate numbers about actual covid infections, not just a positive test
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Remember:

If they don't understand it, then no-one can understand it. Which makes them right about everything.
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Doctor X wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:17 am
Anaxagoras wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:44 amIt is abundantly clear now that being vaccinated doesn't mean you won't catch the virus anymore. However, it does still mean that your likelihood of having severe covid is reduced.
THIS! THIS! THIS! これだよ!

Well, also
As Dr. X reminded me. . . .
– J.D.
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When somebody or some corporation makes a huge claim

Usually skeptics ask for evidence


Well, I’m old enough to remember when that happened
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I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to discover that a vaccine developed for one strain of a virus that has a high rate of mutations is not as effective against a new strain of that virus.
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It is not even a vaccine. No milk maids were involved!

#tellthetruth!

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I’m old enough to remember when Trump said there would be a vaccine quickly, and the experts and the media told us nobody ever made a successful Covid vaccine


Because it mutates quickly

A lot of those same people said they would never get the vaccine as well


This was two years ago

But I remember
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robinson wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:18 pm If the Covid mRNA treatment doesn’t stop infection or transmission

Then the definition of “work” is going to have to be changed
Now the definition is “well it mutates quickly so who could have known?”
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And also “you won’t die as much”
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Except for “if you get the variant, then probably you will still die”

But not as much
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OK you just need a 6th dose and then you won’t die as much
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Because a huge amount of vaccinated people got Covid, now it’s almost impossible to get a rapid test
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They lied


“Science isn’t perfect you know!”


They lied


“Insert post hoc rationalization here”


They still lied
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Ever had COVID before? Well you could get it again!

https://www.ideastream.org/news/if-i-al ... t-it-again
Anne from Cleveland asked, “My husband just recovered from COVID. I tested positive today. Am I contagious to him? I did not test positive until he was 14 days out. We don’t know which variant he had. We are both vaccinated and boosted.”

There is a slight chance people who recently had COVID-19 could get it again if exposed, said Dr. Joseph Khabbaza, a pulmonary and critical care physician at Cleveland Clinic.

The omicron variant, the dominant coronavirus strain circulating in the Cleveland area right now, can evade immunity a person may have built up from previous infections, he said.
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Yep
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I know it for a fact
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Pyrrho wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:23 pm Ever had a cold before? Well you could get it again!
Im shocked.
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https://i.imgur.com/ccNe3dq.jpg

The same people who were completely unaware the flu vaccines had failed, are telling you the novel covid ones work okay.

Win stupid prizes for following liars, ask me how!
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post-skeptic wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:38 pm https://i.imgur.com/ccNe3dq.jpg

The same people who were completely unaware the flu vaccines had failed, are telling you the novel covid ones work okay.

Win stupid prizes for following liars, ask me how!
Repeat after me:
"The suggestion to vaccinate our way out of a cold virus pandemic based on the supposed success of our flu platform was wishful thinking and not in good faith."
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Or in corporate speak:
Fauci: "but.. but... the vendor said it work! we even let them run their own trials!"
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About one of the two antiviral pills recently approved:



and



There's more in his Twitter threads. Raises some salient points.
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Pyrrho wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:49 am

That's even using the new funny number "not fully vaccinated" which they invented because of the need for boosters due to vaccine failure.
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Israel has a lot of actual data
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robinson wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:10 pm “so many people think aircraft science is simple and easy to figure out”
I'm making an excuse list of cathedral approved excuses.
"This is how science works!"
"So many people think it's easy.."
"The "experts" have "new" findings!"

If you zoom out, these are religious thinkers. They have belief.
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Based on my real world experience, vaxxed people thinking they are immune take more risk

I know of 6 people who just took a cruise ship vacation


These same people all congregated with no precautions at Christmas, while there were people there who were sick
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Smart people know Covid isn’t the only thing that can make you sick

Maybe kill you as well