The Covid vaccines really do work

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WRAL News: Increased COVID hospitalization numbers may not tell full story.
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/increa ... /20072074/
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Pyrrho wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:54 pm Well if the Wuhan Flu factory would stop production of variants we'd be cool by now.
Blame Pfizer and the rest of Big Pharma what created them with their vaccines. . . .

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Anaxagoras wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:44 amIt is abundantly clear now that being vaccinated doesn't mean you won't catch the virus anymore. However, it does still mean that your likelihood of having severe covid is reduced.
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"The number of people hospitalized with COVID on Monday was 3,850, which is about the same as the height of the Delta wave in September. But the number of patients in the ICU with COVID has dropped from 934 to 706, a 24% decrease in ICU admissions."

Obviously the vaccines are working
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Now, thanks to the vaccines, we are starting to get accurate numbers about actual covid infections, not just a positive test
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Remember:

If they don't understand it, then no-one can understand it. Which makes them right about everything.
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Doctor X wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:17 am
Anaxagoras wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:44 amIt is abundantly clear now that being vaccinated doesn't mean you won't catch the virus anymore. However, it does still mean that your likelihood of having severe covid is reduced.
THIS! THIS! THIS! これだよ!

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As Dr. X reminded me. . . .
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When somebody or some corporation makes a huge claim

Usually skeptics ask for evidence


Well, I’m old enough to remember when that happened
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I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to discover that a vaccine developed for one strain of a virus that has a high rate of mutations is not as effective against a new strain of that virus.
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It is not even a vaccine. No milk maids were involved!

#tellthetruth!

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I’m old enough to remember when Trump said there would be a vaccine quickly, and the experts and the media told us nobody ever made a successful Covid vaccine


Because it mutates quickly

A lot of those same people said they would never get the vaccine as well


This was two years ago

But I remember
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robinson wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:18 pm If the Covid mRNA treatment doesn’t stop infection or transmission

Then the definition of “work” is going to have to be changed
Now the definition is “well it mutates quickly so who could have known?”
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And also “you won’t die as much”
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Except for “if you get the variant, then probably you will still die”

But not as much
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OK you just need a 6th dose and then you won’t die as much
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Because a huge amount of vaccinated people got Covid, now it’s almost impossible to get a rapid test
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https://twitter.com/realcandaceo/status ... 54212?s=21
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They lied


“Science isn’t perfect you know!”


They lied


“Insert post hoc rationalization here”


They still lied
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Ever had COVID before? Well you could get it again!

https://www.ideastream.org/news/if-i-al ... t-it-again
Anne from Cleveland asked, “My husband just recovered from COVID. I tested positive today. Am I contagious to him? I did not test positive until he was 14 days out. We don’t know which variant he had. We are both vaccinated and boosted.”

There is a slight chance people who recently had COVID-19 could get it again if exposed, said Dr. Joseph Khabbaza, a pulmonary and critical care physician at Cleveland Clinic.

The omicron variant, the dominant coronavirus strain circulating in the Cleveland area right now, can evade immunity a person may have built up from previous infections, he said.
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Yep
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I know it for a fact
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https://twitter.com/joyclee/status/1481 ... Lla_w&s=19

https://twitter.com/joyclee/status/1481 ... npJuQ&s=19
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About one of the two antiviral pills recently approved:

https://twitter.com/spkalantri/status/1 ... 3326972933

and

https://twitter.com/spkalantri/status/1 ... 7057910784

There's more in his Twitter threads. Raises some salient points.
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Israel has a lot of actual data
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https://twitter.com/emily_burns_v/statu ... 45224?s=21
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Based on my real world experience, vaxxed people thinking they are immune take more risk

I know of 6 people who just took a cruise ship vacation


These same people all congregated with no precautions at Christmas, while there were people there who were sick
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Smart people know Covid isn’t the only thing that can make you sick

Maybe kill you as well
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Pyrrho wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:27 am 1. There have never been any claims by the pharmaceutical companies or CDC or the FDA that the vaccines are 100% effective.

2. Go to 1.
You didn’t answer the question
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if an entire country has protected its people by not allowing anyone with the virus to enter, would they be putting everyone at risk by letting vaccinated people in?
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Pyrrho wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:06 pm Yes, there are data showing the rate of adverse events, and I completely understand why there would be concern even if those rates are small. Someone is going to have an adverse event and nobody wants that.
But that's OK, because the vaccines are worth the risk. Because they will keep you safe from Covid!
"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," Biden said in the CNN interview.

However, while it is rare for fully vaccinated people to get Covid, it does happen.

Just last week a vaccinated White House official and an aide for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi were among those who tested positive amid a breakout in DC.

Among the other vaccinated people who tested positive were several Texas Democrats who recently fled to DC to avoid passing a bill on voting rights in their own state.

At other points in the town hall, Biden made less sweeping comments about the vaccine yet some of these were also wrong.

"This is a simple, basic proposition: If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in an ICU unit, and you’re not going to die," he said.


https://www.the-sun.com/news/3337872/bi ... nfections/

Biden was more accurate at another point in the town hall when he said vaccinated people who get Covid at “not likely to get sick.”
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 92427.html
Right-wing talk radio personality Glenn Beck on Wednesday said he has contracted Covid-19 for the second time and complained about the disease’s effect on his lungs.

“It’s starting to go into my lungs today and a little disturbing. I’m on all the medications and treatments and everything else, so ... it’s all good,” Mr Beck said during an appearance on Mark Levin’s daily radio show.

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Mr Beck said the antibody treatment “doesn’t seem to be working” in his case, but he added that he is taking Ivermectin, an anti parasite drug popular in right-wing, anti-vaccine circles that has no proven effect against Covid-19.
Mr. Beck has said that he is not vaccinated.
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So I guess he did not actually take "all of the treatments."

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Three minutes.

Three bitter rageposts.

So funny.
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Doctor X wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:47 pm So I guess he did not actually take "all of the treatments."

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Not teh cow piss?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... ar-AASL7ti
Levin then asked Beck whether he had been treated with monoclonal antibodies, a therapy that former President Donald Trump received after getting a COVID-19 infection in October 2020. Although monoclonal antibodies can be effective, only one of three leading versions of the therapy works against the currently dominant omicron variant and supplies are very limited.

"No, the monoclonal doesn't seem to be working for the new strain," Beck said after coughing. "But I'm on ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine—what is it, Fluvoxin? I'm on a bunch of different...I mean, my doctors are hitting it really hard."

...

Beck has refused to get vaccinated against COVID-19, reasoning that his past infection made him immune to future infections. During an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson in April 2021, Beck said "I"m not going to get a vaccination because I've already had it."
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post-skeptic wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:10 pm However, my mom's Moderna micro stroke is my business.

I figured that at her age, the vaccine was safer than the virus. That's the game theory we've been playing. That was the original script. vaccinate the vulnerable. There was a bit of risk in warp speed, but the rationale at the time was that nursing home patients were dead anyway if they got it. So like, perfect trial subjects for mRNA.

Tucker covered the equity thing on his show, and I'll be honest with you all. These govenrment people are just morons. The essential workers getting the vaccines before the elderly wasn't due to equity/race. Jeff Bezos wanted Amazon wagies jabbed first "so America can keep people fed this winter!" Equity was the excuse. The states who followed that lead on equity, don't realize it was a cover for corporatism.

My mother got Moderna because she's over 70 with health issues. And it still nearly killed her. I pushed her into it because at the time I thought I understood the risks.
Ed have mercy on us all. Progress at Any Cost.

Her husband just got boosted and has a new lung blood clot trophy. He's a slow learner. This is my confession of the last "unpleasant things" I know about covid and vaccines. The fda/cdc should have protected us from the capitalists instead of rubber stamping.
Fwiw, I think you did the right thing. People in that age group have stokes and blood clots with or without. My dad had a stroke last year before vaccines were available so it couldn't have been a vaccine-induced stroke. I see no reason to assume that the vaccine is what caused her stroke or her husband's blood clot. And these sort of outcomes or worse might have happened in the counterfactual. If they don't get vaccinated and then they get Covid, it could have been really bad. There is evidence that Covid-19 can lead to both (obviously a blood clot can lead to a stroke).

https://www.stlukeshealth.org/resources ... ed-to-know

If you think the vaccine is risky, well, choosing to not get vaccinated would have been even riskier. We don't know what the outcome would have been if she had made that choice. We can only do what we think is best based on the best information at the time.
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post-skeptic wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:46 am https://i.imgur.com/lwR0lkg.jpg

What's wrong in this photo if you are actually well informed?
As long as the provider aspirated before injecting, then nothing. Some blood on the bandage only indicates that a vessel was nicked by the needle.
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Is this a new thing? This doesn’t reflect my training, nor my experiences. Regardless, given the morphology, the chances of injecting into a small vessel are still pretty slim.

ETA a little reading: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/
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post-skeptic wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:34 pm So are the side effects. QED
Until I did a search, I wasn’t even aware if the controversy. Having acquired GBS from a vaccination myself, I’ll grant that the small numbers are meaningful. Put me down on the pro aspiration side.
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From March 2021:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8014568/
Cases of apparent secondary immune thrombocytopenia (ITP) after SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccination with both the Pfizer and Moderna versions have been reported and reached public attention. Public alarm was heightened following the death of the first identified patient from an intracranial hemorrhage, which was reported on the Internet, then in USA Today 1 and then in The New York Times. 2 Described below, we have collected a series of cases of very low platelet counts occurring within 2 weeks of vaccination in order to enhance our understanding of the possible relationship, if any, between SARS‐CoV‐2 vaccination and development of ITP with implications for surveillance and management.

Twenty case reports of patients with thrombocytopenia following vaccination, 17 without pre‐existing thrombocytopenia and 14 with reported bleeding symptoms prior to hospitalization were identified upon review of data available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), agencies of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), published reports, 3 , 4 and via direct communication with patients and treating providers. These cases were investigated as suspicious for new onset, post‐vaccination secondary ITP; we could not exclude exacerbation of clinically undetected ITP. Search terms relating to “decreased platelet count”, “immune thrombocytopenia”, “hemorrhage”, “petechiae”, and “contusion” were utilized to identify cases reported in VAERS.