The Covid vaccines really do work

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Funny how the story changed
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robinson wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:25 am https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/health/e ... index.html


(CNN)Vaccine experts are warning the federal government against rushing out a coronavirus vaccine before testing has shown it's both safe and effective. Decades of history show why they're right.
Correct. If we dial the way back machine, the tone of things before the vaccine was actually released was "yeah, its experimental but nursing home patients are toast anyway".

What changed other than politicians pushing mass vaccination?
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A pointless wall of text.

But are they not all?

– J.D.
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https://i.imgur.com/hABGFwq.jpg

Effective, notice the final tweet says "with covid ".
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Only statistics and bureaus could hide the obvious and have people believe it.

So sad how the boomers have become so dull and gullible in their old age and fear of death. The worst generation.
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https://i.imgur.com/uEHZ6VY.jpg

I love how the same people still disagreeing with the skeptics are basically just waiting for Pfizer to let the media confirm what they heard last week at any point.

Yet they still trust liars. Are boomers are mentally half there on a daily diet of pharma products and modern diet? Functionally senile not able to remember things? What's the real cause of this mass cognitive decline?
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Based on my interactions with people, it’s because a lot of people are really fucking stupid
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Also some of them are completely insane
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I love how they changed the definition of vaccinated to keep making scare stats. So now we have people fully vaccinated being reported unvaccinated to intentionally falsify the data to promote the dangerous boosters that cause negative efficacy.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 022-01-17/
Moderna Inc's vaccine candidate against the Omicron coronavirus variant will enter clinical development in the next few weeks and the company expects to be able to share data with regulators around March, CEO Stephane Bancel said on Monday.

"The vaccine is being finished ... it should be in the clinic in coming weeks. We are hoping in the March timeframe to be able to have data to share with regulators to figure out next steps," Bancel said at the World Economic Forum's virtual Davos Agenda conference.

Moderna is also developing a single vaccine that combines a booster dose against COVID-19 with its experimental flu shot. (https://reut.rs/3FAeyya)

Bancel said the best case scenario was the combined COVID/flu vaccine would be available by the fall of 2023, at least in some countries.

"Our goal is to be able to have a single annual booster so that we don't have compliance issues where people don't want to get two to three shots a winter."
Moderna's pipeline page shows that it's in the preclinical phase and has not yet entered clinical trials, so as he said, most likely won't see it approved until late 2023. His comments indicate an expectation of an endemic, which I think is already the case.

https://www.modernatx.com/pipeline

The pipeline includes numerous mRNA vaccines in development along with mRNA treatments for other conditions.

Pfizer's pipeline page gives a sleek overview with a PDF for download--it's a PDF of a PowerPoint deck which is harder to read than the Moderna pipeline page. A pity, because Pfizer's cool awesome web page design was doing so well. Unless you want details.

https://www.pfizer.com/science/drug-product-pipeline
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Anaxagoras wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:50 pm Case example: Japan

Japan was a relative latecomer to getting people vaccinated, but it finally got its act together and the rate of vaccination here has caught up to that in the US and looks like it will end up being somewhat higher than in the US. So what about the infamous Delta variant? It was reported in early September that Delta is now the most prevalent variant in Japan. Nevertheless, we've seen new infections here drop rather dramatically over the last month. It peaked at somewhere over 20,000/day in late August, but has since fallen to roughly 2,500/per day over the last 7 days (Dashboard Here). Currently the effective reproduction number is at 0.6 (even lower in Tokyo, at 0.56). Deaths have also started to come down.

So what could account for this? I suggest it's the vaccinations. Will the effect wear off? Maybe, I guess we'll have to wait and see. Maybe this post won't age very well. But for now at least, it seems to be doing what it's supposed to.

Obviously this is not a scientific analysis, just the view of a layman, but it sure does look like it's working as it should here.



Here's the view of someone more qualified than me:

No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
This has become a common refrain among the cautious—and it’s wrong.

By Craig Spencer

About the author: Craig Spencer is an emergency-medicine physician and director of global health in emergency medicine at New York Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center.

For many fully vaccinated Americans, the Delta surge spoiled what should’ve been a glorious summer. Those who had cast their masks aside months ago were asked to dust them off. Many are still taking no chances. Some have even returned to all the same precautions they took before getting their shots, including avoiding the company of other fully vaccinated people.

Among this last group, a common refrain I’ve heard to justify their renewed vigilance is that “vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the coronavirus.”

This misunderstanding, born out of confusing statements from public-health authorities and misleading media headlines, is a shame. It is resulting in unnecessary fear among vaccinated people, all the while undermining the public’s understanding of the importance—and effectiveness—of getting vaccinated.

So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission.

I understand why people are confused. In April, after months of public-health experts cautiously promoting the merits of vaccination, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky cited new real-world data of the shots’ effectiveness to jubilantly proclaim that “vaccinated people do not carry the virus.” The CDC later walked back her comment, but headlines such as “It’s Official: Vaccinated People Don’t Transmit COVID-19” had already given many the impression that in addition to their remarkable protection against infection with the coronavirus, the shots also prevented them from passing the illness on to others.

Scientists and researchers objected, warning that there weren’t enough data to support such a proclamation. Their concerns were prescient. As Delta first took hold early this summer and then quickly spread, our collective relief turned into dejection.

An outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts—in which 74 percent of the 469 cases were in the fully vaccinated—forced the CDC to update its mask guidance and issue a sad and sobering warning: Vaccinated people infected with the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant can be just as contagious as unvaccinated people.

In the aftermath of the Provincetown announcement, many who had gotten their shots were confused about what the news meant for them, especially when headlines seemed to imply that vaccinated individuals are as likely to contract and transmit COVID-19 as the unvaccinated. But this framing missed the single most important factor in spreading the coronavirus: To spread the coronavirus, you have to have the coronavirus. And vaccinated people are far less likely to have the coronavirus—period. If this was mentioned at all, it was treated as an afterthought.

Despite concern about waning immunity, vaccines provide the best protection against infection. And if someone isn’t infected, they can’t spread the coronavirus. It’s truly that simple. Additionally, for those instances of a vaccinated person getting a breakthrough case, yes, they can be as infectious as an unvaccinated person. But they are likely contagious for a shorter period of time when compared with the unvaccinated, and they may harbor less infectious virus overall.
The effectiveness of the vaccines was probably oversold by some, who were so eager to promote them that they "got out over their skis". Exaggerating is never a good idea, even if you think it's for a good reason. But at the same time, they really do have a protective effect. It's just not perfect.
Might want to check that dashboard
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https://toyokeizai.net/sp/visual/tko/co ... ?ismmark=a