I registered on JREF with a false name

[En folkefiende]

Oh, I can understand the emotional attachment. People spend a lot of time reading, writing, socializing. Then things change.

This situation has a greater potential for emotional attachment since it involves subjects people feel very strongly about, AND it provided the opportunity to contribute in ways beyond simply "reading and writing."

--J.D.

I have no idea if a serious reply will go anywhere, but my objection is to the fact that they've run off the young, enthustiastic folks.

Face it, for the most part, skeptics are grumpy old white men. Yes, there are female skeptics (heard a great talk by one last month), young skeptics, skeptics of other races (I am, after all, married to one) etc, but the predominant group is old white men.

In order to be effective, we need to diversify. A lot. Running off the young and enthusiastic is just * D * U * M * B *

Especially when it's over an issue wherein the identity of at least most of those run off is not the real issue, it's a question of some kind of "thou must conform".

[Doctor X]

Remember xouper, this topic is not about you.

--J.D.

[xouper]

jj: You didn't start it, but you've tried several times to finish it.

xouper: I take that as a retraction of your original claim that I had a huge part in creating it.

jj: You may not. The two statements are not mutually exclusive.

Sheesh. You say I didn't start it but that I had a huge part in creating it? Sounds to me like you contradict yourself. The words "create" and "start" mean the same thing.

The fact is, I came to the party long after the fire was well burning. I did not create the fire nor was the fire created in any way as a result of anything I did or did not do. If not for the JREF forum managment screw-up, there wouldn't be anything for me to pour oil on.

[xouper]

Oh, I can understand the emotional attachment. People spend a lot of time reading, writing, socializing. Then things change.

This situation has a greater potential for emotional attachment since it involves subjects people feel very strongly about, AND it provided the opportunity to contribute in ways beyond simply "reading and writing."

--J.D.

I have no idea if a serious reply will go anywhere, but my objection is to the fact that they've run off the young, enthustiastic folks.

Face it, for the most part, skeptics are grumpy old white men. Yes, there are female skeptics (heard a great talk by one last month), young skeptics, skeptics of other races (I am, after all, married to one) etc, but the predominant group is old white men.

In order to be effective, we need to diversify. A lot. Running off the young and enthusiastic is just * D * U * M * B *

Especially when it's over an issue wherein the identity of at least most of those run off is not the real issue, it's a question of some kind of "thou must conform".

Shall I pass you another can of oil to pour on the fire? :lol: :lol:

[En folkefiende]

Sheesh. You say I didn't start it but that I had a huge part in creating it? Sounds to me like you contradict yourself. The words "create" and "start" mean the same thing.

The fact is, I came to the party long after the fire was well burning. I did not create the fire nor was the fire created in any way as a result of anything I did or did not do. If not for the JREF forum managment screw-up, there wouldn't be anything for me to pour oil on.

I think we're quibbling over semantics. That which is created is the whole of it, and in that, and in how big it all grew, you had a large part, at least by my estimation. Hardly the only part, we could certainly win by naming some others, eh, but a large part.

No, you didn't start it. You just threw on the gasoline, the match, and then poured LOX over the conflageration. But no, you didn't start it.

Look, I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm telling you what I think I saw.

The fact I say this about you, of course, does not make you the only culprit.

Whoever it was said that they still don't understand the net nailed it.

[En folkefiende]

Oh, I can understand the emotional attachment. People spend a lot of time reading, writing, socializing. Then things change.

This situation has a greater potential for emotional attachment since it involves subjects people feel very strongly about, AND it provided the opportunity to contribute in ways beyond simply "reading and writing."

--J.D.

I have no idea if a serious reply will go anywhere, but my objection is to the fact that they've run off the young, enthustiastic folks.

Face it, for the most part, skeptics are grumpy old white men. Yes, there are female skeptics (heard a great talk by one last month), young skeptics, skeptics of other races (I am, after all, married to one) etc, but the predominant group is old white men.

In order to be effective, we need to diversify. A lot. Running off the young and enthusiastic is just * D * U * M * B *

Especially when it's over an issue wherein the identity of at least most of those run off is not the real issue, it's a question of some kind of "thou must conform".

Shall I pass you another can of oil to pour on the fire? :lol: :lol:

Well, it's not intentionally inflamatory and it certainly describes how I evaluate the situation.

[Doctor X]

How peculiar. . . .

--J. "A Dead Man with Wants?!" D.

[xouper]

jj: ... Running off the young and enthusiastic is just * D * U * M * B *

... it's a question of some kind of "thou must conform".

xouper: Shall I pass you another can of oil to pour on the fire? :lol: :lol:

jj: Well, it's not intentionally inflamatory and it certainly describes how I evaluate the situation.

I see. :roll:

[xouper]

jj: No, you didn't start it. You just threw on the gasoline, the match, and then poured LOX over the conflageration. But no, you didn't start it.

I quite think you're getting the hang of this hyperbole thing.

[Walter_Wayne]

Xouper started the fire? Xouper argued with that the censorship inposed was illogical and often counter-productive. How many people actually tried to refute his arguments. The majority of the responses lacked a counter argument and he got a number of "well if you don't like it you don't have to post" responses. They continued even after he stated clearly why he wasn't going to leave it, even if he didn't love it.

You can accuse xouper of showing his frustration when he had to deal with so many useless responses. But I find it hard to fault him for that when so many others get exasperated in similar situations.

But if you are looking for fire starters, look at the number of people who joined the topic with nothing other than love it or leave it, or posted only a "your wrong" with nothing behind it. To pretend that one side is responsible for the atmosphere surrounding admin threads is ridiculous. A mob with pitch forks and torches shouldn't blame others for the fire.

Walt

[En folkefiende]

jj: ... Running off the young and enthusiastic is just * D * U * M * B *

... it's a question of some kind of "thou must conform".

xouper: Shall I pass you another can of oil to pour on the fire? :lol: :lol:

jj: Well, it's not intentionally inflamatory and it certainly describes how I evaluate the situation.

I see. :roll:

I don't think you've quite seen me pour hexane on the fire, Xouper, I don't. Not likely to, either, I'm too good at it when I do get around to it.

[En folkefiende]

jj: No, you didn't start it. You just threw on the gasoline, the match, and then poured LOX over the conflageration. But no, you didn't start it.

I quite think you're getting the hang of this hyperbole thing.

It's a simile...

Like it or not, that's how I see it.

Also, like I said, you had help.

[En folkefiende]

Xouper started the fire?

I presume that's directed at someone who holds that position, not I?

Or do people just read the propaganda put out by others and accept it as what I said?

[Doctor X]

Xouper started the fire? Xouper argued with that the censorship inposed was illogical and often counter-productive.

So . . . whom should we blame instead? Hal?

Clinton?

--J.D.

P.S. It is an understandable "blame the victim" attitude taken by Sycophants in the hope they will not become victims one day.

[En folkefiende]

[P.S. It is an understandable "blame the victim" attitude taken by Sycophants in the hope they will not become victims one day.

Doctor X's daffynition of "Sycophant": Someone who dares to disagree with his ex-cathedra position.

[Doctor X]

. . . that and Sycophants who hope to become Moderators THERE one day. . . .

http://blogdayoriko.weblogger.terra.com ... iyumi1.jpg

--J. "The CD Spins and We Begin, All Systems Go!" D.

[Nabeshin]

http://www.scifilm.org/images2/fahrenheit451-2.jpg

[En folkefiende]

. . . that and Sycophants who hope to become Moderators THERE one day. . . .

http://blogdayoriko.weblogger.terra.com ... iyumi1.jpg

--J. "The CD Spins and We Begin, All Systems Go!" D.

Who would that be? I know somebody who's turned the job down.

[CHARLEY_BIGTIME]

Who would that be? I know somebody who's turned the job down.

Considering current circumstances, I thought it the right thing to do.

[Doctor X]

Who would that be? I know somebody who's turned the job down.

Considering current circumstances, I thought it the right thing to do.

So you still have principals? You mean you do not go from forum to forum denouncing and supporting them in turn to curry sympathy and favor? There may be hope for you yet, Charles.

However, about the goat. . . .

--J. "Come Hitch a Ride and Watch . . . the . . . Moon Grow!" D.

[En folkefiende]

So you still have principals? You mean you do not go from forum to forum denouncing and supporting them in turn to curry sympathy and favor? There may be hope for you yet, Charles.

However, about the goat. . . .

--J. "Come Hitch a Ride and Watch . . . the . . . Moon Grow!" D.

Quack, quack, quack.

[Doctor X]

Someone covets your goat, Charley.

--J. "It Won't Be Long Before We're Up in Zero-G!" D.

[RCC]

Remember xouper, this topic is not about you.

--J.D.

Stop that.

We don't need another stupid song, do we?

[Doctor X]

Remember xouper, this topic is not about you.

--J.D.

Stop that.

We don't need another stupid song, do we?

Stupid song? What stupid song?

--J. "Above the Atmosphere Just You and Me! [And Me!--Ed.]" D.

[xouper]

Doctor X: Remember xouper, this topic is not about you.

RCC: Stop that. We don't need another stupid song, do we?

Doctor X: Stupid song? What stupid song?

Let me guess - the one by Carly Simon?

[Doctor X]

Let me guess - the one by Carly Simon?

You're so vain . . . you probably think this thread is about you!
You're so vaAAaaaIN! [You are so vain.--Ed.]
You probably think this thread is about you! Don't you!

No, I think that was done during a previous time the Little Puppy tried to hijack a thread . . . or was that the one about the mythical critter that cries? A transvestite taking her wig out of a box?

So many, it is hard to keep track. . . .

--J. "Planet Tokyo! Is a Place Not Very Far!" D.

[En folkefiende]

Doctor X: Remember xouper, this topic is not about you.

RCC: Stop that. We don't need another stupid song, do we?

Doctor X: Stupid song? What stupid song?

Let me guess - the one by Carly Simon?

Ohh, ohh, Xouper is Warren Beatty?

(Just joking, you silly idjit. Xouper isn't that attractive, I mean, look at his avatar.)

[Doctor X]

I found the character done by Sir Ben Kingsley:

http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/5238_46_thumb.jpg

"No!NO!No!NO!No!NO!No!NO!NO! NO! No!NO!No!NO!No!NO!No!NO!NO!"

very interesting. He basically plays a "shit-house crazy"--to quote one--thug. Sir Ben interprets him as a "little boy" throwing a temper-tantrum. After beating a person, he makes a few words of apology and actually thinks he is forgiven. Sort of like smashing a window but if he sweeps a bit, Mummy will forgive him. Even his screeming "no!" and "yes!" are based on children who think words magically "make things happen"--by screaming them enough times, Gil will do what he wants and Jackie will love him.

It does not work that way in the real world, nor does it work for Don Logan.

For some reason, that seemed apt.

--J. "In Your Stereo! It's as Close as Where You are!" D.

[DrMatt]

I can't tell if this is a love-fest or a pissing contest.

Yes, it is.

[Win]

No, no, no.

It's all really about me.

I bet I'm the only registrant at the other place from Antartica.

Or maybe not.

[En folkefiende]

No, no, no.

It's all really about me.

In a very real way ...

[skeptica]

No, no, no.

It's all really about me.

I bet I'm the only registrant at the other place from Antartica.

Or maybe not.

Hi Win!!! :D

[Luke T.]

I'd like to make a guess what username Xouper is using on JREF.

Shall I?

[specious_reasons]

I'd like to make a guess what username Xouper is using on JREF.

Shall I?

Go for it!

[xouper]

Luke T: I'd like to make a guess what username Xouper is using on JREF. Shall I?

Sure, I think that might be fun. I will not be willing, of course, to either confirm or deny your guess. Just so ya know in advance. 8) :)

[Doctor X]

So, you admit you are breaking The Rules?!!

[47 pages of text follows.--Ed.]

--J.D.

[En folkefiende]

Luke T: I'd like to make a guess what username Xouper is using on JREF. Shall I?

Sure, I think that might be fun. I will not be willing, of course, to either confirm or deny your guess. Just so ya know in advance. 8) :)

Sooper dooper pooper scooper?

[xouper]

Luke T: I'd like to make a guess what username Xouper is using on JREF. Shall I?

xouper: Sure, I think that might be fun. I will not be willing, of course, to either confirm or deny your guess. Just so ya know in advance. 8) :)

jj: Sooper dooper pooper scooper?

Now that's original. Did you think that up all by yourself? :lol:

[EvilYeti]

Sooper dooper pooper scooper?

Carefull Jimbo Jones.... you are on thin ice with that one! :D

[En folkefiende]

Luke T: I'd like to make a guess what username Xouper is using on JREF. Shall I?

xouper: Sure, I think that might be fun. I will not be willing, of course, to either confirm or deny your guess. Just so ya know in advance. 8) :)

jj: Sooper dooper pooper scooper?

Now that's original. Did you think that up all by yourself? :lol:

I have absolutely no idea.